Well, I stand corrected. Here's a geomety chart from the archive that DOES simultaneously show the shorter H and the longer L.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200413014654/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 8:20:47 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote: > That's interesting. I'd put my money on Eric being right and bike > insights being wrong. The wayback machine internet archive should hold the > answers. The Hs didn't last all that long before they decided to just do > Ls. They may even have dropped the upper bar an H version BECAUSE they > wanted to lengthen them, and maybe something got whacky with the > proportions or angles. I remember that we were all surprised to learn that > they'd gotten longer, so it wasn't talked about in the typical, public way > that ,say, the decision to drop the clementine name was. > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 1:06:21 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Thank you for the messages Dustin and John! I love that mustard color and >> would have liked to find one in it. I did pick up the one but don’t know >> the exact year. It is supposed to be here Friday! >> >> Eric, when I looked on bike insights it showed the fork rake and head >> tube angle being the main difference on the two. Steeper by about 2 degrees >> on the H I think with less rake. Trail numbers are still very similar >> though. It would be fun to spend a weekend riding both on the same paths >> and trails to decide! >> >> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:01:22 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote: >> >>> John, >>> >>> Were your bikes the same gen? The Clem got longer in later models, but I >>> always thought the L and H had the same geo for the same model years. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022, John Johnson <johnemer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I had a Clem H and my wife has the same size Clem L. I noticed right >>>> away there were a few differences; the L has a longer top tube, longer >>>> front center, and longer wheelbase. The difference in top tube length >>>> means >>>> bars fit differently, stem lengths will need to be adapted, etc. This is >>>> not insignificant. bikeinsights is as always helpful: >>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4cc,5e234e0e5c58cd001776de16 >>>> , >>>> >>>> In the end, I was jealous of the extra reach on my wife's Clem L so I >>>> sold the H and bought an L. >>>> >>>> I would say they do ride a bit differently (agreed on the H being a bit >>>> stiffer). Both are great bikes, and it just depends on what you're looking >>>> for. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:12:44 PM UTC+2 fra...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the >>>>> idea of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while >>>>> pulling >>>>> my daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over >>>>> but >>>>> sometimes it could be a benefit. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only >>>>>> standing still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. >>>>>> Of >>>>>> course any frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold >>>>>> mine >>>>>> & have invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it >>>>>> though >>>>>> as the step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love >>>>>> about this bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so >>>>>> nice. >>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg] >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge >>>>>> of flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it >>>>>> (some folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab >>>>>> that H, it's a good frame! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a >>>>>>> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time >>>>>>> high >>>>>>> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to >>>>>>> use as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more >>>>>>> stuff. I found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was >>>>>>> hoping for some opinions about the differences here! From what I can >>>>>>> tell, >>>>>>> the H just has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> about the same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as >>>>>>> parts go than a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> decent price bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge >>>>>>> deal for me. Thoughts? 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