The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most dainty 
kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from that bike 
just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays in the 
process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate in 
subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands are 
dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv stopped 
selling them. 

On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely 
> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I just 
> repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. 
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand 
>> screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar if 
>> you ever screwed it down that hard. 
>>
>>
>> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it tight. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
>>> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount that 
>>> affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie Bars! 
>>> I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder if 
>>> it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an 
>>> opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s 
>>> worth.)
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <kaivi...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>>>
>>> Save the plate! Add some weight!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
>>>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>>>>
>>>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
>>>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with 
>>>> both is this: 
>>>>
>>>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, 
>>>> I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on the 
>>>> stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem 
>>>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the bike 
>>>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
>>>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand wants 
>>>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
>>>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will let 
>>>> you load all day until the plate gives up. 
>>>>
>>>> Whaddyathink? 
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>
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