Wow! Miss a day & miss a lot. I'll try to answer / comment in order:

Current stem is an 80 mm dirt drop & Map Ahearne bars in 660 mm width. The 
Atlantis has a 58 cm top tube.

The issue of mounting / dismounting is helpful. That's my current problem. 
I have to do this gymnastic of leaning the bike WAAAAY over to get my leg 
over the saddle. I'm unbalanced at that point. Never thought about 
Roberta's method but can see myself doing the trip thru instead of the step 
thru. Ponder, ponder.

Roberta, that's an impressive collection of Rivendells. The fact you have 
the 55 Platy & 52 Clem L is interesting. More options are better. 

Thanks for the links to the websites. I've checked whatbars a few times in 
my handlebar odyssey & will look at the frame one.

Thanks to all for your help & suggestions.

doug


On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:20:07 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I enjoy both of these websites but wish they had drawings for Clem & Gus. 
> I’ve not looked for other Riv models. Bikeinsights of course is the one I 
> am speaking of.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 10, 2023, at 8:42 AM, esoterica etc <esoter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Feb 10, 2023, at 07:33, Roberta <rcha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> There is a website ( but I forgot the name ) that superimposes bike 
> geometries over each other for comparison, but there’s nothing like a test 
> ride. There’s a similar site for handlebars. 
> >> 
> >> Roberta 
> >> Philadelphia 
> > 
> > The website Roberta is thinking of that superimposes bikes over each 
> other is bikeinsights.com, and the handlebar one is whatbars.com- both 
> excellent resources for comparison. 
> > 
> > ~Mark
> > Raleigh, NC
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