I wonder when Nitto introduced the flexible strut mounts (Mark’s rack) vs. the rigid struts of the rack on Robert Tilleys AR. The 700 c AR that I had came with the same rack as Roberts. Bruce Gordon’s mid rack mounts were not compatible with that Nitto rack. Steve On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 8:22 AM Greg J <gregkj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My recollection from one of the early Readers was that Grant felt that > p-clamps worked just fine, and they offered more flexibility. A big part > of the Riv philosophy is that these frames can be used for a long time and > are not encumbered by fashion. As others have noted, all racks are > different, and it would be a pain (and a lot more work) to braze-on > attachment points, only to have them be useless because the rack doesn't > fit or the style of racks change (e.g., shift from front panniers to > baskets). Now, maybe due to customer demand, I think Rivs have many > braze-ons, so now he is going the opposite direction of having multiple > sets of braze-ons still in an effort to make them flexible for different > rack systems. > > Also, I think generally, Grant's aesthetic runs more towards the > utilitarian-DIY-strap things on by wire and straps, rather than the perfect > fender lines and perfectly-placed braze-ons for custom racks of Jan's rando > bikes. > > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 5:27:19 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I’d be curious to hear what sort of justification Grant had for claiming >> that p-clamps were superior to actual mid-fork braze ons. To me, a fixed >> mounting point seems like a secure no-brainer… less fiddly bits, no >> unsightly black rubber, and it looks so much cleaner. >> >> But then again, it wouldn’t surprise me either way. >> >> On Mar 22, 2023, at 8:15 PM, Junes <junes...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi m f, welcome! Congrats on the bike. >> >> Regarding your question: >> >> It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without >> rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special >> request to not have them? >> >> >> It’s not totally unusual for Rivs, particularly early-ish ones, to have >> forks devoid of rack mount eyelets. Two of my Rivs don’t have them, one an >> Atlantis, explicitly positioned as an all-rounder, and one a Glorius. >> (Incidentally both were Toyo built.) In an early Atlantis brochure, Grant >> even wrote that a lack of such fork eyelets is better because using clamps >> to attach rack struts to forks is superior. All recent Rivs have eyelets >> galore, though. >> >> On Mar 22, 2023, at 19:08, Andrew Letton <let...@flash.net> wrote: >> >> >> Nice bike! >> My All-Rounder and Road Standard have Joe Bell paint and both have the JB >> logo on the left chainstay like this: >> >> <1679526443662blob.jpg> >> >> >> >> cheers, >> Andrew in Sydney >> >> >> >> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 10:03:03 AM GMT+11, m f < >> rockthr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi - I'm new here! Not sure how many of you saw this on eBay over the >> past few months, but I was able to work with the seller and found a way to >> buy this 2000 All-Rounder (Curt Goodrich). I have a couple updates in mind >> (sweptback handlebar, Brooks saddle), but those will happen with time. >> First step will be new tires and tuning the mechanicals (Dura Ace except >> for crankset) so I can get a ride or two under my belt. If the seller is in >> this group - thanks again for all the help! >> >> Questions for the group: >> It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without >> rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special >> request to not have them? >> What are the markers that indicate the frame was painted at Joe Bell's >> shop? >> >> >> >> <s-l1600.jpg> >> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 8:09:10 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> The All Rounder like the XO-1 before it gets a lot of interest and >> praise, but I think that, like the XO-1 that preceeded it, it is an early >> design that has been superseded and bettered by later Grantian bikes, >> starting with the Atlantis and continuing with the Sam Hillborne and >> doubtless the more recent models. >> >> I say this having owned an XO-1 and having bought a custom Road based on >> the All Rounder, with lighter (753) tubing and slightly more upright hta >> (IIRC). My 1999 and 2003 Road customs, also built for 26" wheels, are >> better "All Round" both on pavement and in dirt than either XO-1 and the >> first Road custom, with much longer chainstays, slightly sacker head, and >> upsloping tts with extended head tubes. >> >> I say again that the later Road customs ride better on dirt, particularly >> sandy surfaces, than the XO-1 and the first gen, AR-based road custom. >> >> I think -- but I am open to reasoned rebuttal -- that an Atlantis or Sam >> Hill would be better for all round riding than either XOs or ARs. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dbd9b3f4-d7aa-474e-8ba6-25b46bbfbe02n%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dbd9b3f4-d7aa-474e-8ba6-25b46bbfbe02n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/392951491.785734.1679526477781%40mail.yahoo.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/392951491.785734.1679526477781%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> <1679526443662blob.jpg> >> <s-l1600.jpg> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/644E81B5-AD7E-4090-87B1-4D36D8667FC5%40gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/644E81B5-AD7E-4090-87B1-4D36D8667FC5%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a83ebe54-6e70-463b-a5b3-5d7f142b842en%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a83ebe54-6e70-463b-a5b3-5d7f142b842en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Steven Sweedler Plymouth, New Hampshire -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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