I have both normal and longish chainstay bikes in my house. I like the 
aesthetics of both, and they both feel "normal" (like Matt from Crust said) 
once you're riding. 

I know way less about bike handling and geometry than most of you, but one 
thing I assume that when you're riding in a more upright position, you want 
those long chainstays because your center of gravity is more aft than with 
a "traditional" bike position, where you are leaned a bit more forward on 
your hands and your weight is distributed more up front. It makes intuitive 
sense to me, and if you look at both Jones and Riv, the comfy upright 
position that they both aim for (albeit via different routes) involves 
getting the bars closer to you (high stack and short reach in the case of 
Jones, high handlebars in the case of Riv) and long chainstays. It would 
make sense that if the rider's weight is supposed to be farther back, the 
bike design should take this into account.

-John 
On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 3:57:29 PM UTC+1 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, the larger volume tires are definitely part of the ride quality 
> equation. If they are “bouncy” the pressure is too high.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 8, 2024, at 8:50 AM, Chris Halasz <cha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll chime in that while the very long (54cm?) chainstays on some of the 
> frames introduce some storage concerns, they (the Platypus, for instance) 
> ride very, very nicely. 
>
>
> That said, I dislike the common (what, 41cm?) short chainstays far more 
> than I dislike the extended variety. 
>
> My chainstay sweet spot compromise may be more like 46cm, but I find 
> myself drawn to even longer. 
>
> What I haven't yet come to appreciate are large tires for road use, say, 
> anything over 35mm. The longer chainstay bikes, to me, start to look 
> nervous with narrower tires. I really like the looks of the Clem H, though. 
>
> Maybe there's more learning for me to appreciate the wider, heavier, 
> bouncier tread. But that's another topic. 
>
> - Chris 
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 8:30:45 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Ian thinks "there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your 
>> perspective."  
>>
>> You are allowed to think whatever you like about me and my motives.  Are 
>> you in the market for a new (to you) bike now?  What is your build concept?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 4:02:18 PM UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> All those wanting Rivendell to re-release bikes they made 10 years ago 
>>> do NOT have to turn in their Riv card, but they ARE outing themselves as 
>>> PAWNS of the T&D IC.  Resist the pressures of the Time and Date Industrial 
>>> Complex!  
>>>
>>>
>>> BL I feel like I understand where you're coming from in this thread and 
>>> largely I don't disagree with much of what you're saying but I think 
>>> there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your perspective. Yes, I 
>>> do have whatever the reverse of FOMO is when it comes to Riv bikes (Sad I 
>>> Missed Out, SIMO?). I learned about Riv circa the late aughts while working 
>>> at Amoeba in Berkeley and riding my POS fixed gear bike (with Wald 808 bars 
>>> and front basket) everywhere. Dreamt of virtually every model at the time, 
>>> all of which were firmly out of reach with a record store employee 
>>> paycheck. Had I been able to afford a couple twos threes of their bikes at 
>>> the time I'd probably be hang up free about their current designs. But I 
>>> think we all want what we can't have, and (for a terrible comparison) I 
>>> lament plenty of other unfortunate changes like the reality of modern 
>>> pickup trucks as opposed to my first two, the Datsun 720 and Toyota 22RE. 
>>> Change may be constant but it's not always beneficial
>>>
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