were some of the very first Rivs made with lugs bought from the
remaining Bridgestone stock?, maybe I read that in a dream or
something.  Also, a small fram may have had hard to fit angles fo rthe
early Riv lugs.  It would be interesting to find the history.

Rob

On Jul 12, 11:42 am, "Frederick, Steve" <frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu>
wrote:
> They almost look like Bridgestone lugs.  I wonder if the head lugs were 
> abbreviated because of the bike's small size?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Angus
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:33 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay
>
> I agree with Doug, those lugs looks very simple for an early
> Rivendell.
>
> IIRC the Road Standards had the Richard Sachs designed lugs other
> models hand different, simplier (but not his simple?) lugs.
>
> Angus
>
> On 11 July, 23:16, Doug Van Cleve <dvancl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Joe,
>
> > I agree about the paint but I don't recall ever seeing any Riv with plain
> > lugs.  There are/were early ones around that don't have the first RBW crown,
> > as the initial testing revealed a flaw and some frames went out with HJ
> > crowns.  Even the early Rivs had the Sachs designed lugs to the best of my
> > knowledge.  Most curious...
>
> > Doug
>
> > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Joe Bartoe <jbar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >  I hate to disagree....well, actually I kind of like to disagree. Anyway,
> > > if you look around, you'll find that there are plenty of early Rivs that
> > > have paint jobs that differ markedly from the current Riv aesthetic. I
> > > distinctly remember one that was sort of a limey green metallic with yell
> > > head tube and lugfill. And no, Joe Bell would never paint a non-Riv frame
> > > and then put Riv decals on it. Also, after the first paintjob, Grant/Riv 
> > > no
> > > longer controls the paint job style choices so if it's a second paintjob,
> > > that would also explain the difference.
>
> > > I am a little confused by the poster not knowing the model, though. It
> > > would seem that any Riv owner would know that. Then again, an early Riv
> > > would likely not have had a model name as they started out kind of simply.
> > > It might have just been a road frame.
>
> > > Joe
>
> > > ------------------------------
> > > From: dvancl...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:20:58 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [RBW] Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay
>
> > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but
> > > JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?
>
> > > Doug
>
> > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves 
> > > <hoont...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > > Almost forgot
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw
>
> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----
> > > *From:* trevor segraves <hoont...@yahoo.com>
> > > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > > *Sent:* Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
> > > *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay
>
> > > Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing 
> > > on
> > > this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water 
> > > bottle
> > > bosses seam oddly placed.
> > > Any thoughts?
> > > Trevor- Hide quoted text -
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