I give up.

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM, cm <chrispmur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think there are too many unknowns here. All we get to do is look at
> the finished frame and speculate as to the quality we cant see. We
> don't get to see the tubes being mitered, prepped, brazed or anything
> else until it is done. We don't know the brazers or the amount of time
> they spend on each frame. I have no idea if the brazers at Toyo are as
> good as the brazers at Waterford and how those compare to the Maxway
> guys. Does anyone besides GP? So I take Riv's word that they are all
> good. Sure my Bleriot is not as fancy as my wife's Ram but there is no
> quality difference I can see and I have inspected the both pretty
> closely. Are the lugs less fancy? Is the paint not quite as nicely
> done? Yes and yes but I dont see those as quality differences in terms
> of how well the bike is built. I do feel like there is value in buying
> US made things, but after that it doesnt matter to me if they are made
> in Japan or Taiwan. I think that someone in Taiwan can braze just as
> well as someone in Japan who can braze just as well as someone in the
> US. I think Rivendell oversold the fact that their frames were made at
> Toyo and are having to overcome the idea that frames from other places
> (excluding Waterfrod/US) are inferior.
>
> Cheers!
> cm
>
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