I wouldn't doubt that by now the OP (Bob) has given up. But recall his original question:
This is not questionaing the obviously excellent Riv quality, but about subtle specifics of interest to velohistorians an bike nerds. The question remains unanswered. For example, are their differences between the acclaimed Toyo and current Waterford forks? What about subtle bends in the chainstay and other tubing? There must be things that Toyo and Waterford do uniquely well. What are they? The "subtle specifics of interest to velohistorians an bike nerds" may require an assemblage of Atlantises to sort out. With running changes, production of 400 per year (or something like that), and small production runs, Riv probably can't track them that well. Other than really obvious stuff like the pointy vs roundy lugs (I had mine for several years before knowing about that) and kickstand plates, the really subtle stuff would be hard to quantify. That's an inadequate answer but the only one I can come up with. dougP On Jan 26, 10:42 am, Bob <prov...@umbc.edu> wrote: > The current Riv Atlantis is built by Waterford. My original question > concerned whether, excluding paint, braze ons and probably tubing, the > Waterford is identical to the Toyo build. This is not questionaing the > obviously excellent Riv quality, but about subtle specifics of > interest to velohistorians an bike nerds. The question remains > unanswered. For example, are their differences between the acclaimed > Toyo and current Waterford forks? What about subtle bends in the > chainstay and other tubing? There must be things that Toyo and > Waterford do uniquely well. What are they? > > On Jan 26, 1:19 pm, Ryan <ryter...@mts.net> wrote: > > > > > As far as I know, Atlantises (Atlanti?) were only Toyo-built. But I'm > > sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong. > > > My impression is that later models...I'm thinking of the AHH in > > particular ...were either Toyo or Waterford-built. And as others on > > this thread have noted, the Sams are either built by Waterford or in > > Taiwan under the supervision of Toyo > > > That being said, regardless of the origin, Grant's design philosophy > > and attention to detail are evident...you say tomaytoes and I say > > tomaahtoes . Rivendells are great bikes > > > Regards, > > Ryan in Winnipeg,MB > > > On Jan 22, 10:34 pm, Bob <prov...@umbc.edu> wrote: > > > > How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry > > > from the Waterford edition? Exclude differences in braze-ons, > > > kickstand plate and range of sizes. > > > > In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in > > > builder?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
