This is such a good discussion, because it points out that Grant P. is
looking out for his customers. If someone asked me, which builder
would you rather have -- Waterford or Toyo? -- I'd say, sure. It's
nice that Waterford is U.S.-based, but I look at it as supporting
Rivendell first, and I'll let Grant decide which builders to patron.

I was skeptical of Maxway when Grant contracted them for the Bleriot,
but once I got my frameset I found it was as nicely built as my
Rambouillet and Atlantis in the areas that matter. Maybe not as nicely
painted, but it was much less expensive. I used the savings to help
offset the cost of couplers and a repaint to a different color.

I'm now a fan, generally, of Maxway for less-expensive bikes. I
believe my Rawland dSogn was built there and it's just great.

Ed Felker



On Jan 22, 11:34 pm, Bob <prov...@umbc.edu> wrote:
> How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry
> from the Waterford edition?  Exclude differences in braze-ons,
> kickstand plate and range of sizes.
>
> In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in
> builder?

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