Haha, did not realize I cranked it up so high on the smug thermostat!
Perhaps I should fart in a wineglass and savor the delicate notes?

But, Thomas Friedman is still a tool.

On Jan 31, 10:28 pm, Montclair BobbyB <montclairbob...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Oh man!!!  Now I want to burn his book... I've been HAD!!!
>
> Bobby "That kool-aid be tainted" Birmingham
>
> On Jan 30, 10:22 pm, Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thomas Friedman may have not been able to say it better, but there is
> > some room for him to live it better...http://tinyurl.com/kjnlao
> > (Friedman's Mansion built on his wife's MegaMall inheritance)
>
> > be the change you wish to see.
>
> > On Jan 27, 8:06 pm, Montclair BobbyB <montclairbob...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Thomas Friedman couldn't have said it better... In fact (in Hot, Flat
> > > and Crowded) he takes several pages to say as much... A real eye-
> > > opener indeed... Perhaps we need to consume far less of everything,
> > > and HOPE (and PRAY) the rest of the developing world still aspires to
> > > emulate us... But I digress.  I sure would like a second Riv...
>
> > > On Jan 27, 4:17 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I agree, the drag on my SON is non-noticeable and even that on the
> > > > Shimanos is non-noticeable. And hub dynos are so *cool*! -- regardless
> > > > of utility. (I remember an early, bike-accessory splurge, about age 12
> > > > or 13, Delhi, circa 1968, a cheap (but shiny!) bottle and headlight
> > > > and tail lamp combo, all chromed! Largely useless as I didn't ride at
> > > > night except to test out the dynamo. And the drag was so bad I shortly
> > > > got rid of it.)
>
> > > > As for our post-petroleum future, I am not sanguine about
> > > > electrical-ization, nyuculer power, wind energy or solar bliss. Ponder
> > > > this: we USers use some huge % of the world's resources -- note, this
> > > > is not a moral judgment, just a statement of fact. We get away with it
> > > > because we have a huge country hugely gifted in natural resources and
> > > > a small, relatively, population -- and yes, dammit, I am proud to be
> > > > an American, even though I know we live far too large. Now: we want to
> > > > export our American Way of Life to alla the resta the world -- 3 suvs,
> > > > 3600 faux Tuscan villa on 1/8 acre, giant LED screens in every room,
> > > > air conditioning to make indoor temps different from outside temps by
> > > > 40 degrees all the time, piles of cheap Chinese made electronic junk
> > > > cheaply shipped from China, travel to Bahamas at each quarterly
> > > > vacation. So, 1.5B Chinese, 1.2B Indians and untold billions of others
> > > > are yearning to imitate what they see on TV etc of our life. They try
> > > > hard and begin to succeed. What then? Can you follow these thoughts to
> > > > their expected conclusion? Few seem to want to think this out -- or
> > > > else take for granted that billions will continue to rest content with
> > > > the scraps we throw them as cheap labor for our cheap and affordable
> > > > large living. No, we are in for a change.
>
> > > > Someone asked Gandhi, "What do you think of western civilization?" He
> > > > replied, "I think it would be a good idea."
>
> > > > Patrick "when the apocalypse comes, I am doomed because my Rivs won't
> > > > take more than 35s" Moore
>
> > > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> Personally I think a dyno hub is always a good idea, regardless of
> > > > >> season.  In the summer (even with long days) it simply extends your
> > > > >> riding and removes daylight limitations... As far as the idea of a
> > > > >> "clutch" mechanism
>
> > > > > IMO, the clutch mechanism dynohub is a solution looking for a
> > > > > problem.  The drag on my SON hub bikes is so minimal I never notice
> > > > > it.
>
> > > > > The clutch dyno will almost certainly have more moving parts than a
> > > > > SON.  Maybe it should not be this way, but seems the more components
> > > > > that make up a product, the more chance the product will malfunction.
> > > > > Add to the mix this particular company is looking to compete pricewise
> > > > > with the entry level dynos.
>
> > > > > Time will tell, but I smell a bust.
>
> > > > > On Jan 27, 11:10 am, Montclair BobbyB <montclairbob...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> Personally I think a dyno hub is always a good idea, regardless of
> > > > >> season.  In the summer (even with long days) it simply extends your
> > > > >> riding and removes daylight limitations... As far as the idea of a
> > > > >> "clutch" mechanism, I haven't been able to noticeably detect drag on
> > > > >> any of the dynamo hubs I've ridden (Schmidt, Shimano, SRAM and 
> > > > >> Sturmey-
> > > > >> Archer).  Then again, I'm not a go-fast rider, nor particularly
> > > > >> sensitive to riding subtleties, so it would take major drag before 
> > > > >> I'd
> > > > >> begin to notice it... not to say others won't feel it... I simply 
> > > > >> seem
> > > > >> to be insensitive to it.
>
> > > > >> Peace,
> > > > >> Bobby "Ain't feelin' the drag" Birmingham
>
> > > > >> On Jan 27, 4:43 am, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >> > I'm looking to get one of the new dyno hubs but can't seem to get a
> > > > >> > firm price. I'd even pay in advance. It will be getting lighter out
> > > > >> > soon so it might be moot for me to even have one until next fall.
> > > > >> > Seems like the timing is a little off on these.
> > > > >> > Bikes and cars yea.....what a long discussion all that was, what 
> > > > >> > with
> > > > >> > "being green" and all......I say its all hogwash. If we do run out 
> > > > >> > of
> > > > >> > fossil fuels you can kiss our roadways goodbye we'll all be walking
> > > > >> > like Grok eventually and society will be back in the stone age. The
> > > > >> > fact is, we humans are too dumb to figure it out from generation to
> > > > >> > generation and we tend to forget the lessons of the past. Its a 
> > > > >> > self
> > > > >> > correcting problem ultimately anyway. If we mess it up so bad that
> > > > >> > life as we know it all falls apart, enough of us will die off and 
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > human race can start again in some  primitive way of living. The 
> > > > >> > earth
> > > > >> > will clean itself up atmospherically etc. and our bones will become
> > > > >> > fertilizer for a future Groks vegetable garden. Until then, I 
> > > > >> > intend
> > > > >> > to ride often and live well......yes I recycle and probably live 
> > > > >> > more
> > > > >> > green than most people but I don't think it matters much in the 
> > > > >> > grand
> > > > >> > scheme of things.
> > > > >> > In spite of my general skepticism I do think a generator hub, with 
> > > > >> > a
> > > > >> > clutch that is reliable, is a fine idea and I need lights on my
> > > > >> > bicycle if I am to ride at night.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > >> - Show quoted text -
>
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