I agree; a significantly lighter bike (and don't ask me to define "significantly" -- I know it when I ride it) has virtues of its own and, therefore, its own kind of fun -- light wheels especially, when you climb. Of course, there are other bicycle qualities beside light weight (and that may even trump light weight in a give instance) but ceteris paribus, light has its own fun.
Eddie: I'm surprised you got down only to 21 1/2 with all that carbon fiber and those very light wheels on what looks to be a medium size frame. My 58 cm Riv #3, back when it was a multispeed gofast, with its 7 lb frame and fork and headset, weighed 18 3/4 lb with a 1X10 drivetrain and titanium only in the Flite rails and Specialized Aero stem binder bolt. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:31 PM, eflayer <eddie.fla...@att.net> wrote: > i own an all steel Gunnar Sport, a coupled Rambouillet, a custom Rex > with all carbon fork. poundage on those goes from a low of about 21.5 > up to 24. > > for fun, i just built up a carbon Fisher Cronus; all carbon. for the > first time i paid attention to lower weight parts; carbon bars, carbon > seatpost, and shimano RS 80 1600 gram wheels. with pedals and cages it > weighs 17 lbs. that is nearly 5 less than the rest. i am old, sorta > plumpish, but i ride quite a bit. i can't quantify the difference, but > the lighter bike is a fine fun contrast to the others. you can drink > less beer, lose some weight...and until you actually do it, a > significantly lighter bike is a ball. > > not my normal conservative approach. in fact, way out there: > > https://picasaweb.google.com/107231724174916923201/CronusWheels# > > On Mar 17, 8:16 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Oh good, another controversy to jump into. Herewith: > > > > 1. I imagine that "heavy" is said relative to rider weight, no? If a 17 > lb > > bike is light for me, it would be simply fragile for a 250 pounder. > > > > 2. Ditto for the bikes purpose: a fixie gofast has a different standard > than > > a touring or mountain bike. > > > > 3. The tolerable limits also have to do with one's preferences for owning > > fewer multipurpose or more single purpose bikes. > > > > Having disposed of that: > > > > For me, 170: gofast, certainly under 20 lb equipped. Mine is (ahem) 17 > 3/4 > > lb exactly. Nice commuter under 25 lb equipped but not laden. Mine is > > probably under 23 lb with rack but no bag. But when you get to errand > > beaters and tourer/offroad bikes, who is to say? I'd love a 20 lb ss > 29er, > > but I'd rather have my multipurpose Fargo, which is porcine at 33 lb, > than a > > single use, lightweight ss off road bike if I had to choose just one. My > > Motobecane is unweighed but, equipped and unladen, I'd guess it is at > least > > 28 lb despite the nicely light frame thanks to heavy wheels, non-SON20R > > dynohub, luggage and so forth. > > > > I did some windy hills this afternoon, about 17 or 18 miles (no computer! > So > > I can fudge!) on the gofast and let me tell you, climbing those hills, > > especially with SW 21 G 33 winds, is far easier when your bike is 10 lb > less > > (and of course the wheels are far, far lighter). > > > > OTOH, the porcine Motobecane and grossly obese Fargo are still fun to > ride > > -- funner than many a lighter bike I've ridden. I'd choose fun over light > > any day. (Still, how can I drop 10 lb from the Fargo.....?) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:54 PM, MichaelH <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > OK, now that we have dispensed with helmets, allow me to raise another > > > controversial topic. > > > > > This is not like, when am I too heavy, which is easy.... right now. > > > > > I have 4 bikes, well 6 really, but we wont go into those details. All > > > four of them are around 62 cm and get ridden regularly - a 1988 > > > classic stage racing frame, weighing around 22 lbs; a Rambouillet, > > > outfitted with White/ Open Pro wheels, a White dbl crank, Honjo > > > fenders, a Mark's Rack, and light tires also weighing about 22 lbs.; > > > a 1984 Trek (Reynolds 531 standard gauge tubing) with Shimano 9 speed > > > cranks and shifters, SKS Fenders, Passella 32 mm T Guards and coming > > > in around 25 lbs; and An Ebisu All Purpose, with front and real steel > > > racks, steel fenders, MA 40 Rims, triple DaVinci Cranks, and 38 mm > > > Avocet Cross tires that weighs in at a hefty 30 lbs. > > > > > I live in Vermont, which has lots of rolling hills and some > > > significant climbs. Do you think the 5 lbs alone, between the Trek > > > and Ebisu is enough to effect the performance? What about the 3 lb > > > difference between the Rambouillet and the Trek? 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