Hey, that's great. To hear the 62 Hunqapillar described as
significantly smaller than the 64cm Hillborne is encouraging indeed.
Thanks!

Trust me... If there were a 60cm Hunqapillar, it'd be the front
runner. Alas, the 58 is too small.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On May 24, 7:30 pm, Zack <zack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tom-
>
> I am 6'3" and would say that I have a relatively short inseam.  I have
> a very long torso.
>
> I would say that the 62 Hunqa felt significantly smaller than the 64
> Sam did.  It didn't, however, feel tiny.
>
> Also, your comment about fendering both bikes pushes me even more
> firmly in the direction of picking up the Hunq - either the 62 or,
> gasp, the 60.  Then you could still run big boy tires, even with the
> fenders.  Just seems like you could do so much more with the combo of
> the Sam and the Hunqa.
>
> On May 24, 6:33 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean <thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Interesting, indeed.
>
> > I have not measured my PBH myself. The nice folks at The Country Bike
> > Shop in Celina, OH, did. (Can't say enough nice things about the
> > Dennings and The Country Bike Shop. Nice people and a wonderful
> > place.) I suspect theirs is comaprable to an RBW measurement. It felt
> > like it to me!
>
> > I'm 6' (probably plus a smidge) and 245. I'd say I have slightly-
> > longer-than-average legs. So the Country Bike Shop 90 PBH sounds right
> > to me. To me, your 6'4" - 94cm combination seems roughly consistent
> > with my 90 PBH measurement.
>
> > Did your "clearance" of the top tubes of the 64cm Hillborne and the
> > 62cm Hunqapillar seem very similar?
>
> > Yours,
> > Thomas Lynn Skean
> > Enjoying the problem.
>
> > On May 24, 3:25 pm, Zack <zack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think I have something to offer here.
>
> > > I measured my own PBH to 91 cm.  I went to Riv, used their method, and
> > > got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really
> > > going for it lol).
>
> > > I am 6'3 and 240 for reference.
>
> > > I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne.
>
> > > I ended up going with the Sam.  I thought that it would be more
> > > versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that
> > > feels a little more lighter and spry.  I thought that the Sam would be
> > > great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride
> > > a bit shorter distance.
>
> > > If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my
> > > list.  It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast
> > > on fire trails, with a full load.  Just a super fun bike to ride.
>
> > > I personally would not get another Sam.
>
> > > I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar
> > > paint job.  I don't like the grey/maroon combo.  I also think that
> > > getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would
> > > make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the
> > > diagatube somehow.  I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics,
> > > but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of
> > > the greatness.  Even with all that being said, I would love to have
> > > one of the stock hunqas.  It's a really sweet bike.  One of those "you
> > > have to ride it to understand" things I think.
>
> > > I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best
> > > suited to answer your questions I think.
>
> > > On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean <thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will
> > > > completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want.
> > > > Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since
> > > > they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no
> > > > riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the
> > > > Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one
> > > > over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to
> > > > the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one
> > > > and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single
> > > > Hunqapillar.
>
> > > > To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself
> > > > enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I
> > > > mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the
> > > > Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the
> > > > cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a
> > > > Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the
> > > > Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective).
>
> > > > As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy
> > > > with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to
> > > > swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be
> > > > swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and
> > > > tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some
> > > > possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the
> > > > Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small
> > > > differences, but differences nonetheless.
>
> > > > So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the
> > > > Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the
> > > > Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I
> > > > can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit.
>
> > > > Yours,
> > > > Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> > > > On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach <brett.lindenb...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want 
> > > > > your new
> > > > > bike to do?
>
> > > > > if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it.  
> > > > > i
> > > > > should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for 
> > > > > rides
> > > > > with your doppelgänger when he visits.  or you could set up one 
> > > > > hillborne as
> > > > > your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring.
>
> > > > > personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities.  i 
> > > > > travel a
> > > > > lot, and often wish i had my bike with me.  i might consider getting a
> > > > > lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel.  or maybe a fun 
> > > > > little
> > > > > brommie.

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