That's why you need to master the triple loop fold for timing belts (and wire bead tires). If only somebody would do a 12-second youtube movie showing how to do a twistless triple loop. They should probably wear a railroad shirt while doing it....
http://www.youtube.com/user/RivBikeWorks#p/u/16/INIG3NRTbEE On Jun 22, 5:55 am, "Bill M." <bmenn...@comcast.net> wrote: > Modern, high-strength timing belts don't like to be bent backwards or > crimped tightly. Forcing them to do so can cause them to de- > laminate. > > Bill > > On Jun 21, 9:03 pm, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure either but I read some info on these Gates belts and > > supposedly you can't just fold em up in you saddlebag for a spare as > > it damages them somehow. I've seen plenty of timing belts crap out on > > autos and I know they are tough I just don't like the idea as a > > replacement for a bicycle chain. Clean & quiet they are but I want to > > see how they perform over a longer time period for bicycles. > > > On Jun 21, 6:21 pm, Ray Shine <r.sh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > Interesting. I wonder why the Kevlar drive would be so much more prone to > > > failure than the Kevlar drive belt on my 1400cc motorcycle, which has > > > never failed or had a problem? Different Kevlar? > > > > >________________________________ > > > >From: charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> > > > >To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:54 PM > > > >Subject: [RBW] Re: HS > > > > >Well.....I hear those belts are finicky and can be damaged if not > > > >handled properly. Carrying a spare is not such an easy task either due > > > >to how you have to maintain the shape or whatever, besides the link > > > >chain revolutionized the world and I can fix it myself. > > > >The idea of disc brakes appeals to me though since it rains here so > > > >much your rims get ground to nothing in no time. > > > > >On Jun 21, 2:48 pm, doug peterson <dougpn...@cox.net> wrote: > > > >> Jamison: > > > > >> Good for you to be in a position & have the faith to sign up. > > > >> Hopefully the first run will get scattered all over the country and > > > >> NOT concentrated around San Francisco Bay. Then the rest of us could > > > >> have a hope of seeing one in person. All this speculation is > > > >> intriguing but I predict Grant's got a few surprises in store for us. > > > >> I gotta admit the dual range crank coupled with an IGH, using a belt > > > >> drive, has a lot of merit, at least in concept. > > > > >> dougP > > > > >> On Jun 21, 8:31 am, jamison brosseau <jamison.bross...@gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > I signed up. I know nothing though. It will b a good bike. > > > > >> > On Jun 20, 10:58 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > ....and now SEVEN of them are sold. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm > > > >> > > waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their > > > >> > > money > > > >> > > down. > > > > >> > > On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" <bill.bgib...@gmail.com> > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > Retro-direct, anyone? > > > > >> > > > My guess is that he means it when theHSwill be a more "elegant", > > > >> > > > maybe a > > > >> > > > more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be > > > >> > > > widely > > > >> > > > adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs > > > >> > > > are. But it > > > >> > > > won't be a single-purpose bike at all. > > > > >> > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie > > > >> > > > <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > Yea that looks pretty cool........off road looking which seems > > > >> > > > > to be > > > >> > > > > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. > > > > >> > > > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > > >> > > > > <montclairbob...@gmail.com> > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > Read more about it here... > > > > >> > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > > > >> > > > > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... > > > > >> > > > > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > > >> > > > > > <montclairbob...@gmail.com> > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution toHS.... (And thanks > > > >> > > > > > > Esteban for > > > >> > > > > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a > > > >> > > > > > > 2-speed > > > >> > > > > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with > > > >> > > > > > > a built-in > > > >> > > > > > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a > > > >> > > > > > > front > > > >> > > > > > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an > > > >> > > > > > > all-out front AND > > > >> > > > > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > > > >> > > > > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent.... > > > > >> > > > > > > Peace, > > > >> > > > > > > BB > > > > >> > > > > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger <rogerdhod...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter > > > >> > > > > > > > indexed or > > > >> > > > > just > > > >> > > > > > > > the hub?" > > > > >> > > > > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely > > > >> > > > > > > > wants to be > > > >> > > > > > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. > > > >> > > > > > > > Supposedly Sheldon > > > >> > > > > > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon > > > >> > > > > > > > could do, it > > > >> > > > > was > > > >> > > > > > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > > >> > > > > > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be > > > >> > > > > > > > about equal > > > >> > > > > > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the > > > >> > > > > > > > wheel/cable/shifter setup > > > >> > > > > > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off > > > >> > > > > > > > of my single > > > >> > > > > > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or > > > >> > > > > > > > 3 zipties for > > > >> > > > > > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. > > > >> > > > > > > > Except for the > > > >> > > > > > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and > > > >> > > > > > > > ker-chunking out of > > > >> > > > > > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on > > > >> > > > > > > > downtube shifter > > > >> > > > > > > > best of all for this concept. > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg > > > >> > > > > > > > <kenneth.st...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger > > > >> > > > > > > > > <rogerdhod...@gmail.com> > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real > > > >> > > > > > > > > > shifter for the > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'd be very, > > > >> > > > > very > > > >> > > > > > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to > > > >> > > > > > > > > > handle the extra > > > >> > > > > > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that > > > >> > > > > > > > > > damned twist > > > >> > > > > shifter in > > > >> > > > > > > > > > a split second." > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and > > > >> > > > > > > > > > its twist > > > >> > > > > shifter. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter > > > >> > > > > > > > > indexed or > > > >> > > > > just > > > >> > > > > > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end > > > >> > > > > > > > > or similar > > > >> > > > > for > > > >> > > > > > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's > > > >> > > > > > > > > all handled > > > >> > > > > at > > > >> > > > > > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup > > > >> > > > > > > > > (easy enough) > > > >> > > > > > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -Ken > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > >> > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > >> > > > > Google Groups > > > >> > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > >> > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > >> > > > > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > >> > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > >> > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > >> > > > -- > > > >> > > > Bill Gibson > > > >> > > > Tempe, Arizona, USA- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > > >-- > > > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > >Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > >For more options, visit this group > > > >athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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