On Nov 11, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Larry Powers wrote:

> While I believe that my gigantic Berthoud handlebar bag is the best bag for 
> randonneuring, I am not suggesting you go out and buy one right away.  I road 
> most of my early brevets with a Little Joe bag and a map holder on my 
> handlebars.  Use what you have because you may find that after riding a few 
> brevets you don't enjoy it so why spend a lot of money up front?  Second if 
> you do like it you can spend your first rides looking at what other riders 
> use and determining what you do and don't like about your current setup.  You 
> can then make changes to your rig as the $'s allow.

This is great advice.  Randonneurs are usually happy to talk about their setups 
and the pros and cons.

> While there are a good number of steel bikes with classic randonneuring bags 
> at brevets more people are riding go fast racing bikes with minimal bags, 
> especially at the shorter distances.  Even at the longer distances you will 
> see riders who are on go fast bikes with just a small trunk bag.  You need to 
> do some rides and see where you fit between the carry everything riders and 
> the minimalist riders.  

Yep, I've seen people with 20 lbs of gear for a populaire and people with 
little more than a patch kit and a tire lever for a 600 K (my friend Doug)

There is a six time PBP "ancien" here who rides an Italian steel racing bike 
(Guerrciotti, IIRC) with a rear rack and trunk bag.  Obviously works for him!  
No fenders, either.  Oner thing for me is that I insist on fenders on my bikes 
for rainy rides.  I dislike riding in the rain to begin with, let alone riding 
in the rain with water spraying up from the wheels as well as falling on me 
from the sky.

> The big plus to a handlebar bag is that it has a great out of the way map 
> case on top of it.  It also supplies a place for the things you want to get 
> to easily while riding: cell phone, camera, food or wind breaker.  I have 
> found that the mid to large handlebar bags that do not use a front rack did 
> throw off the handling of the bike more then I liked.  Smaller bags can be OK 
> but most of the bags that mount to the bars hold the bag very high.  early on 
> I used a Boxy Baggins on a Nitto handle bar mount and as long as I kept the 
> load light it was not a problem.  The Boxy Baggins/Little Joe was my second 
> generation brevet rig.  Note that a handlebar bag can cause some real issues 
> with cable routing.

This is a good point, especially with brifters.  I use downtube shifters on 
almost all my bikes nowadays, just two left with brifters (tandem and my old 
'cross bike).

> The Berthoud bag on a front rack with a decular works very well on my 
> Rambouillet as long as I don't over load it.  I still use some type of bag 
> under my seat to carry a few small heavy items.  If you decide to buy one of 
> these buy the model with all elastic loops.  I bought one with leather straps 
> and buckles and it is a nightmare getting in and out  of the pockets while 
> riding.  

Mine has the elastic for the main compartment but buckles and straps for the 
rest.  Getting into those little pocket while riding is a pain, but I don't 
keep anything in them that I'd need while rolling.

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