"Fastish club ride" around here pretty much means fit riders on racing 
frames with skinny tires and no more luggage than a spare tube and a CO2 
cartridge, going hell-bent-for leather.  I wouldn't use a Sam for that kind 
of riding, that's why Riv sells Roadeos, and why I keep a dedicated go-fast 
in the stable.  It sounds to me like the Roadeo would fit your needs the 
best from the Riv line, and should be a fine combination randonneuse, 
sporty club bike and (on widish tires like the JB's) unpaved path runner. 
 I wouldn't load it with more than a medium sized saddlebag and a smallish 
handlebar bag, though.  I would treat most custom rando bikes similarly, 
the choice there is whether you want a French-style low-trail geometry for 
carrying more of a front load, or Riv's more traditional English-style 
geometry that would favor using a saddlebag for any significant load.   
Keep the Trek for carrying real touring / shopping loads.  

If cost is a factor there are other options, but this is the Riv list so I 
won't plug them here.

Bill

On Sunday, March 25, 2012 4:13:21 PM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>
> I'm considering pulling the trigger on one of the new blue Sam 
> Hillborne's.  They look like really wonderful bikes.  Strong, versatile, 
> attractive are words that come to mind when I think about this bike.  These 
> are qualities that I find attractive.  However, I also like to go fastish.  
> Can I do this with a Sam as well?
>
> I'm pushing 45 years old.  A few years ago I had a custom made go-fast 
> bike built for me.  That bike goes fast, but is limited in what it can do.  
> I also have a Trek 520 Touring bike.  This bike, obviously, is built for 
> touring.  Its not very fast, nor very lively.  In short, my Trek isn't much 
> fun to ride.  I'm looking for a bike to fit in between these two bikes -- 
> one that will be able to carry a few bags and ride on stone dust bike paths 
> (such as the Erie Canal path), but one that will not feel sluggish to ride 
> (like my Trek).
>
> Most of the time, when I see photos of Sams, the bikes seem to be set up 
> to be workhorses -- carrying a collection of bags and racks.  I want to be 
> able to do this with a bike (thus the attraction to the bike in the first 
> place).  However, I would like to use noodle bars and go on fast-ish club 
> and recreational rides as well.  In fact, the vast majority of rides will 
> be  20 - 30 mile "out for fun and exercise" rides.  Is the Sam well suited 
> to this as well, or will it likely feel more like my Trek 520?  Most likely 
> I would set up a Sam with Noodle bars and tires such as Roly-Poly or Jack 
> Browns.
>
> I'm also considering having a custom built randonneur bike -- one that 
> will be able to carry some load but also feel quick and lively to ride.  
> However, if the Sam will meet my needs, it certainly would be a less 
> expensive alternative.  I don't think that my body has any proportions that 
> would make me difficult to fit (5ft, 11 inches tall, PBH 87.5, arm length 
> 35 inches) so I don't think that I *need* to go custom (though it sure is 
> fun to do so!).
>
> Any thoughts on whether a Sam would be a good choice would be appreciated.
>
> Sean
>

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