The drum would also be audio ... as well as unmediated. Julie
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Julie Moore <julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com>wrote: > Thank you for your excellent and thoughtful argument, Thomas. I am just > trying to get my head around RDA and how it will apply to the stuff that I > catalog most often ... and those things are "kits". > > My understanding of what you are saying is that we do not look at the "kit" > or "set" as a whole, but we look at the individual pieces, and we make a > 336-8 on each of those items? I am trying to imagine this and understand how > the computer knows which fields go together ... and more importantly, how > this is is useful to the end user. > > I am thinking of other things that I have cataloged that would fall into > the "kit" sort of category. There are these Culture Kits that we collect > from various countries. They often have a lot of interesting "stuff" ... as > well as a book, a teacher's guide, a poster, a music CD, a DVD about life in > that country, etc. Our library has collected a number of these culture kits. > The "stuff" in the Africa culture kit, for example, includes: > African hut model (Kenya) -- Ndrama drum (Kenya) -- African Batik (Kenya) > -- Mask (Ghana) -- Traditional ebony carved comb (Kenya) -- Thumb piano > (Kenya) -- Mock elephant hair bracelet (Kenya) -- Kanga (clothing) > (Kenya) -- Traditional African wooden stool (Kenya) -- Uyot seed rattle > (palm seeds and raffia worn around ankle or wrist) (Nigeria) -- Coconut leaf > woven bag (Kenya). > So we would have: > > For content type, we would have: > > 336 text [for the book and teacher's guide] > 336 still image [for the poster] > 336 performed music [for the music CD] > 336 two-dimensional moving image [for the DVD] > 336 tactile three-dimensional form [for the "stuff" = the hut model, > the drum, the batik, the mask, the comb, the thumb piano, the elephant hair > bracelet, the clothing, the wooden stool, the seed rattle, and the coconut > leaf woven bag.] > For media type, we would have: > > 337 audio [for the music CD] [I have a question about the thumb piano, > the drum, and the rattle, because they also are intended for sound.] > 337 video [for the DVD] > 337 unmediated [for all the rest of it] > > For carrier type, we would have: > > > 338 volume [for the book and teacher's guide] > 338 audio disc [for the music CD] > 338 videodisc [for the DVD] > 338 sheet [for the poster] > 338 object [for the rest of the "stuff" = the hut model, the drum, the > batik, the mask, the comb, the thumb piano, the elephant hair bracelet, the > clothing, the wooden stool, the seed rattle, and the coconut leaf woven > bag.] > (Sorry, this is beginning to sound like "The Twelve Days of Christmas!") > > I guess, again, my question would be: how does the computer know to put > which things together? > > How does this make it clearer for the end user? > > And would it not be preferrable to have one term such as "kit" to concisely > explain that this is going to be a box of different types of things? > > Just a few thoughts for a Saturday morning! > > Thank you for your consideration. > > Best wishes, > Julie > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Brenndorfer, Thomas < > tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca> wrote: > >> ________________________________ >> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [ >> RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Julie Moore [ >> julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com] >> Sent: September-09-11 6:02 PM >> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA >> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Kits >> >> >> >P.S. I am about to catalog a Weight Box, which consists of a wooden box >> with 6 pairs of wooden cylinders, >> >each pair weighing a different amount. (The child is to figure out which >> two pieces weigh the same.) In current >> >AACR2 terms, this cannot be considered a "kit", because it is not: "An >> item containing two or more >> >categories of material, no one of which is identifiable as the >> predominant constituent of the item." Therefore, >> >for now, it looks like another candidate for the realia bin in AACR2. In >> RDA, we need terms that make sense >> >to both the catalogers and the users. >> >http://www.amazon.com/Kids-Weight-Box-Natural-Finish/dp/B0006PKYZA >> >> >> >> >> Here's my take on it... >> >> >> >> I think each carrier value is only for what's being counted in the Extent, >> not to describe the aggregrate of the multi-piece manifestation. That's why >> "kit" or "large print" are not appropriate as carriers-- they belong >> somewhere else though. >> >> >> >> "Object" refers to the unit of extent, and if component pieces are >> specified for three-dimensional forms, I think it refers to each one of the >> component pieces. >> >> >> >> The carrier is what "conveys the content", and the content is defined as >> what human senses are involved. With objects, it's primarily sight, seeing >> the object in all directions, so "three-dimensional form" is the content >> conveyed by each one of the component pieces. However, with many toys, touch >> is important, and so one has to look at how "the content is intended to be >> perceived, as distinct from a sense through which it might be perceived >> incidentally", according to the RDA-ONIX Framework. Tactile >> three-dimensional form would also be used with educational toys. >> >> >> >> So for a complex toy that also has significant aspects that assist in >> learning about textures and sounds: >> >> >> >> Extent of three-dimensional form: 1 toy (various pieces) >> >> Carrier type: object >> >> Content type: three-dimensional form >> >> Content type: sounds >> >> Content type: tactile three-dimensional form >> >> >> >> As one can see, it's no longer a matter of devising some blanket term to >> fit into the small space for the GMD. The meaning of the GMD was spread too >> thin and too confusingly across predominant content and carrier aspects, >> with many libraries inventing and appending all kinds of new terms. >> >> >> >> For the weight box educational toy. I think no more than the following is >> fine: >> >> >> >> Extent of three-dimensional form: 1 toy (12 wooden cylinders) >> >> Carrier: object >> >> Content: tactile three-dimensional form >> >> (I don't think the wooden box is relevant-- it's just a container, and >> could be mentioned in the Dimensions). >> >> >> >> Each cylinder is the "object" referred to in the Carrier element. The >> whole kit/realia, single/multiple types of material conundrum doesn't exist >> in RDA. I would say the mass of the cylinder is the main content that is >> intended to be conveyed, which means touch is the main human sense needed (I >> suppose one could say the main content intended for the resource could be >> conveyed while blindfolded, making it predominantly a tactile content type). >> >> >> >> The Carrier element only covers one aspect of what was in the GMD. What >> looks like fun with RDA, is that with toys so many human senses could be >> involved, and so the Content Type would likely be more heavily used as >> indicating important characteristics of the resource. >> >> >> >> Thomas Brenndorfer >> >> Guelph Public Library >> > > > > -- > Julie Renee Moore > Catalog Librarian > California State University, Fresno > julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com > 559-278-5813 > > "In the end only kindness matters." -- Jewel > > > -- Julie Renee Moore Catalog Librarian California State University, Fresno julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com 559-278-5813 "In the end only kindness matters." -- Jewel
