Quoting Casey A Mullin <cmul...@stanford.edu>:
[I'm behind on this thread, which raced forth over the weekend.
Still catching up...]
In the mean time, I'll respond to Karen and Heidrun's comments. To
be clear, > I'm not suggesting certain works/expressions be
"flagged" as primary or secondary. What I'm referring to is the idea
that certain works/expressions
> need not even be identified in the data. According to FRBR, we may
know they
exist, but identifying them (whether through access points,
identifiers, etc.) is of marginal utility in a case like this.
kc: Right, none of what we're talking about relates to parts or
secondary works that are not identified as such in the cataloging. We
are concerned about what to do if you *do* wish to bring them out in
the description.
If someone wished to come back
later and identify the introduction as a work in its own right, they
could do that.As Karen pointed out, this can seem "devilish", but only
when trying to
> envision it in a MARC environment.
kc: Nothing devilish at all in MARC: you add a 7xx for it. It's only
devilish in a FRBR-based environment.
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As for Karen's other question:
<snip>
Manifestation 1 is embodiment of Expression A
Manifestation 1 is embodiment of Expression B
Manifestation 1 is embodiment of Expression C
something else occurs to me about this model: there is no place for a
title proper for each of the expressions -- If A is the whole, and B
and C are individual works in A, then where are the titles proper for
B and C?
</snip>
Title Proper is a Manifestation attribute. Expressions have no
titles, per se. I would say that if an augmenting Work (like a
preface) didn't have a title, that's all the more reason to forego
identifying it. If you did, you'd need to devise one in RDA.
kc: Exactly. So how to you do this? that's the question we are asking.
A title proper can only be defined within a FRBR manifestation entity.
In this case, what does your FRBR manifestation contain, given that
the the part exists physically only within that aggregate
manifestation? You would end up with two manifestation entities for
the same physical manifestation: one with the title proper of the
part, and one for the actual item in hand. Honestly, I'd like to see
what this looks like. It's ok for it to be a bit sketchy, but use, if
you can, the RDA properties (from http://rdvocab.info). That would
really help! (You don't need to use the URIs -- the element names will
be fine.)
kc
