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On Mon, November 26, 2012 9:19 am, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: > The distinction between âartistâ and âillustratorâ currently > exists in the choices for main entry heading. Catalogers have to know that > an artist can be a main entry heading, and an illustrator can only be an > added entry. The distinction comes down to knowing what is the work and > what is the expression (that is, in knowing that an illustrator has only > contributed to the realization of a work, but is not responsible for the > primary intellectual or creative content of the work). > These categorizations may seem arbitrary, but they are still the basis for > traditional cataloging, and reappear as entity-relationships in RDA. RDA > does go a bit further in recognizing that there may be more types of > relationships beyond the crude main/added entry distinction. For example, > a Creator may also have a Contributor role (as in Composer and Singer). > This can be seen in the second RDA/MARC example in > http://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/6jsc_rda_complete_examples_bibliographic_jul0312_rev.pdf > Thomas Brenndorfer > Guelph Public Library > > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Jack Wu > Sent: November 26, 2012 11:08 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors > > And the searcher, in order to search successfully, would have to know this > distinction in our use of a different qualifier for the same person under > different circumstances, as well, I presume? > > Jack Wu > Franciscan University of Steubenville > j...@franciscan.edu<mailto:j...@franciscan.edu> > >>>> Jenny Wright >>>> <jenny.wri...@bibdsl.co.uk<mailto:jenny.wri...@bibdsl.co.uk>> >>>> 11/26/2012 9:38 AM >>> > My understanding is that: > If the illustrations are integral to the work, the person who drew/painted > them is a creator, or co-creator, and so the relationship designator > should be âartistâ. > If the illustrations are complementary to the work, and belong at > expression level (they contribute to the realisation of the work), then > the relationship designator should be âillustratorâ. > What is more debatable is how one decides whether the art is integral to > the work. Could another artist could draw new comic strips for the same > story, or new pictures for a juvenile picture book without changing it to > a new work? > Jenny Wright > Development Manager > Bibliographic Data Services Ltd. > > > > > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Jack Wu > Sent: 26 November 2012 14:30 > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors > > Then, in MARC, it can sometimes be using $e illustrator, but at other > times $e artist? Or would one be using both terms? It's somewhat confusing > to me. > > Jack Wu > Franciscan University of Steubenville > j...@franciscan.edu<mailto:j...@franciscan.edu> > >>>> JSC Secretary >>>> <jscsecret...@rdatoolkit.org<mailto:jscsecret...@rdatoolkit.org>> >>>> 11/23/2012 8:14 AM >>> > Jenny, > > The LC-PCC PS you cite is in chapter 20, the chapter for contributors, and > states the policy requiring an authorized access point for the first > illustrator (someone with responsibility for the expression, not the > work). If the person involved in your resource has responsibility at the > work level as a creator, you would not be consulting chapter 20. > > Yes, the only creator-level term in appenidx I is "artist" because > "illustrator" there is the term for a relationship at the expression > level. > > Judy Kuhagen > JSC Secretary > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Jenny Wright > <jenny.wri...@bibdsl.co.uk<mailto:jenny.wri...@bibdsl.co.uk>> wrote: > Hi All > I am looking at how to deal with children's picture books using RDA rules, > and would like to know what others think. > > I think of children's picture books as being co-created by the author and > the illustrator, and I believe it would be a different work if there were > different illustrations, rather than a different expression. > > My reading of RDA is that if I believe a person to be a co-creator of a > work, rather than a contributor to an expression, then the only available > relationship designator for the illustrator is "artist". > > However, there is an LC-PCC PS stating > "Provide an authorized access point in the bibliographic record for an > illustrator in all cases of resources intended for children. Give the RDA > appendix I designator "illustrator" in MARC 700 subfield $e." > > Can anyone help explain this apparent anomaly? > Thank you > Jenny Wright > Development manager > Bibliographic Data Services Ltd. > > ________________________________ > Scanned by for virus, malware and spam by SCM appliance > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The > service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive > anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: > http://www.star.net.uk > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________ > Scanned by for virus, malware and spam by SCM appliance >
