I have wondered whether originally the approach of separating publication date 
and copyright date didn't arise, in part, at least, from this phenomenon of 
having books published earlier than the copyright date indicates.  I am 
sympathetic to the concern that a cataloger with the book in hand in 2013, 
copyrighted 2013, might wonder why the cataloging record available has 2012 in 
the 264.  However, I wonder if the 588 note, or a 500 note, could not be used, 
e.g., "Item received for cataloging March 10, 2012," thus indicating that the 
book was in fact available in 2012. 


Michael S. Borries
CUNY Central Cataloging
151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor
New York, NY  10010
email: michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu
Phone: (646) 312-1687

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But what about the cataloger who received the book in 2013? And the patron who 
used it last week but it can't be this book because this book hasn't been 
published yet? I makes less sense to pretend that the book wasn't published for 
8 months than to include a bracked publication date and make it clear when the 
book was actually available.
Pat

Patricia Sayre-McCoy
Head, Law Cataloging and Serials
D'Angelo Law Library
University of Chicago
773-702-9620
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[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Lisa Hatt
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On 3/28/2013 8:07 AM, Will Evans <ev...@bostonathenaeum.org> wrote:

> Rules or no rules, shouldn't the record reflect the reality of the
> situation?!
>
> 264#1 $c [2013]
> 264#4 $c (c) 2014
>
>
> 500 Publication received by cataloging agency in 2013. $ MBAt

I'm puzzled by this approach, which seems to second-guess the
publisher's intent. Unless there's something we haven't been told, I
don't get the idea that the resource itself makes any statement about
having been published in 2013. If a cataloger first encountered this
item in 2014+, they'd have no reason to believe it was published in
anything other than 2014, because that's the date printed on the thing
itself, yes?

(I know there are reverse cases where a later ed. such as trade pbk.
does not actually state its publication date and simply retains the
copyright of the first hc ed., resulting in situations like [2002],
c2001 in AACR2. But in that case other information supports the choice
of supplied date, I think.)

Rare books might be different, and I am no RDA guru, but my feeling
would be to go with what Deborah recommended.

--
Lisa Hatt
Cataloging
De Anza College Library
408-864-8459

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