Ooops! My mistake. For some reason, I was thinking we put that into the 300, but I don't think we actually did. (I don't normally catalog board books -- but I do catalog a lot of other funny formats!)
So the 300 would probably stay similar to how it is now (except spelling everything out) ... something like this: 300 12 unnumbered pages : ǂb color illustrations ; ǂc 24 x 30 cm Your 336-338 look fine to me. 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent 336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier (Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects) Along with a 500 note to express the interesting form of the book. I would think that a strangely shaped book would also go in a 500 note. 500 Board book. or 500 Pop-up book with sound effects. or 500 Board book in the shape of a shark. and 655 #0 Board books. Thoughts? Julie Moore Fresno State On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Julie Moore <julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com>wrote: > Deborah, > > I've been following this post with great curiosity. > > I'm trying to get the full picture here. It is VERY important that people > understand that this thing is a bathtub book, popup book, and etc. Are we > still going to describe the fact that it is a bathtub book, board book, > etc. in the 300? (If so, I am good with this scenario.) > So the fact that it is a board book, popup book, etc. will be reflected in > the: > 300 > 500 > and > 655 > > I'm just wanting to be sure that I am understanding this correctly. > > Thoughts? > > Julie Moore > Fresno State > > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Deborah Fritz > <debo...@marcofquality.com>wrote: > >> I agree with Mac and you that it appears that these types of *terms*will >> probably be best handled by the entity ‘Object’, once that entity is >> covered by RDA. In the meantime, in MARC records, they (or their official >> equivalents) can go in 655, as you both say.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The attributes of these types of materials will still need to be entered >> as appropriate, e.g.:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent**** >> >> 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent**** >> >> 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent **** >> >> 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia**** >> >> 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier**** >> >> (Resource is a children's pop-up book)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent**** >> >> 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent**** >> >> 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent**** >> >> 336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent**** >> >> 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia**** >> >> 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier**** >> >> (Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I found the “BL Monograph WEMI Workflow” at >> http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=wka700 very helpful for the >> above. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> There are undoubtedly other attributes that can be entered. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> I like the idea of using the Nature of the Content for a summary of the >> contents:**** >> >> 500 ## $aPop-up book with sound effects**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I also think it would be useful to enter the Base Material for a ‘board >> book’ but I can’t figure out which of the terms under 3.6.1.3 would apply, >> or what other term is actually appropriate (perhaps ‘paper over >> boards’—from ONIX: >> http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%20for%20books%20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_BookProduct_CodeLists_Issue_20.html) >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> I’d also like to enter the ‘shape’ attribute somewhere, but can’t figure >> out where—Note on Dimensions of Manifestation, perhaps.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Deborah**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> - - - - - - - - **** >> >> Deborah Fritz**** >> >> TMQ, Inc.**** >> >> debo...@marcofquality.com**** >> >> www.marcofquality.com**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and >> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Lapka, >> Francis >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:15 AM >> >> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA >> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term >> like "Board book" or "Scented book"**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I agree, the “types” you describe represent at least a change of content >> type (or a new Expression), and I could be persuaded that they don’t >> constitute new works. As Mac suggests, the types would be logically >> recorded as form/genre (MARC 655).**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Francis**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and >> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] >> *On Behalf Of *Deborah Fritz >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 08, 2013 4:46 PM >> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA >> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term >> like "Board book" or "Scented book"**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hmm, that would mean that a change in the ‘type of book’ would be at the >> Work level, which would mean that the pop up version of a story would be a >> different work, and I’m not sure I would think of it at that level, e.g.: >> Horton Hears a Who**** >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Horton-Hears-Who-Dr-Seuss/dp/0394800788**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375841946/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=1535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0394800788&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1SAQA14BEM9500KM52VR >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Or ‘Tails’, which appears to be available in hardcover and as a board >> book:**** >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Tails-Matthew-Van-Fleet/dp/0152167730/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368043414&sr=1-7&keywords=scented+books >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> But, you might have a point that some of these ‘types’ seem like >> different expressions (Content Type: tactile image + Content Type: text), >> rather than different manifestations (Base materials: Hardboard) or even >> both; so, perhaps for some of these, I need to be thinking ‘Content’ and, >> in that case, details would have to be in Nature of the Content, e.g., for >> Tails (above)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Base materials: hardboard**** >> >> Content Type: tactile image**** >> >> Content Type: text**** >> >> Nature of Content: Pull tabs, lift-able flaps, tufts of fur, and even a >> scratch-and-sniff skunk tail**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Perhaps we may not be able to get these actual terms nicely placed in the >> RDA records, until more work is done on Vocabulary Mapping. I do feel that >> the more standardized we can be in using vocabulary terms instead of >> free-text, the better it will be.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hmm, now I’m wondering whether these terms might not turn out to be >> Objects (yet to be released) >> http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp14**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Deborah**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> - - - - - - - - **** >> >> Deborah Fritz**** >> >> TMQ, Inc.**** >> >> debo...@marcofquality.com**** >> >> www.marcofquality.com**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and >> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] >> *On Behalf Of *Lapka, Francis >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:55 PM >> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA >> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term >> like "Board book" or "Scented book"**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Why not:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> RDA 6.3 Form of Work: board book **** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Francis**** >> >> ** ** >> >> _________________________________**** >> >> *Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian* >> >> Yale Center for British Art, Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts**** >> >> 1080 Chapel Street, PO Box 208280, New Haven, CT 06520**** >> >> 203.432.9672 francis.la...@yale.edu**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and >> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] >> *On Behalf Of *Deborah Fritz >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:36 PM >> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA >> *Subject:* [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like >> "Board book" or "Scented book"**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Does anyone know, which, if any, of the RDA elements for Physical >> Carriers would be appropriate for this type of information:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Board book**** >> >> Rag book**** >> >> Bath book**** >> >> Pop-up book**** >> >> Touch-and-feel book**** >> >> Scented book**** >> >> Sound story book**** >> >> Sticker book**** >> >> Die-cut book (e.g., shaped like a shark)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Most of these terms are from ONIX, and there are others in the list below >> that show up in AACR records now and then:**** >> >> >> http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%20for%20books%20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_BookProduct_CodeLists_Issue_20.html >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Under AACR we would simply have added this kind of thing as a 1.7B10 >> Physical Description Note (500), but I cannot see where to enter this type >> of information as an RDA element (ignoring MARC for the time being)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> 3.6 Base Material is a possibility for: **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Board book: Base Material: hardboard (?)**** >> >> Rag book: Base Material: textile**** >> >> Bath book: Base Material: plastic**** >> >> >> **** >> >> But I don’t think those terms convey the information as well as the ONIX >> terms.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> 3.6.1.4 Details of Base Material would allow us to make this more >> note-like, e.g., On board pages shaped in profile of a bear (LCCN: >> 2009934889) ; but I don’t think ‘Scented book’ fits under Base material at >> all. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> The Extent of Text instructions (3.4.5) are quite restrictive, with no >> allowance for the kind of leeway allowed under other types of materials, >> e.g., under 3.4.4.2 (Extent of Still Images) “If none of the terms listed >> above is appropriate, use a term designating the type of unit as concisely >> as possible”. So we cannot say “1 board book” we must say pagination, or “1 >> volume (unpaged)”**** >> >> ** ** >> >> In lieu of any other element, I’m leaning towards using 3.22.3 Note on >> Extent of Item:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Extent of Text: 1 volume (unpaged)**** >> >> Note on Extent of Item: Board book**** >> >> ** ** >> >> MARC:**** >> >> 300$a 1 volume (unpaged)**** >> >> 500$aBoard book.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Does this sound reasonable? **** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we do not have an appropriate RDA element for these terms, then they, >> technically, do not belong in an RDA record, do they? And yet it seems a >> pity to not add this kind of information, if we can just figure out how >> this data fits into the RDA attributes/elements.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Deborah**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> - - - - - - - - **** >> >> Deborah Fritz**** >> >> TMQ, Inc.**** >> >> debo...@marcofquality.com**** >> >> www.marcofquality.com**** >> >> ** ** >> > > > > -- > Julie Renee Moore > Head of Cataloging > California State University, Fresno > julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com > 559-278-5813 > > “Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from > themselves.”... James Matthew Barrie > -- Julie Renee Moore Head of Cataloging California State University, Fresno julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com 559-278-5813 “Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves.”... James Matthew Barrie
