I totally support that and especially like your remarks about the English language bias.
Myriam. From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Leonard, William Sent: August-08-13 2:38 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization in 2.9.4.4 The Canadian Committee on Cataloguing has also put forward a proposal concerning capitalization, 6JSC/CCC/12. Please ignore the asterisks that were unintentionally included in the final draft. http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-CCC-12.pdf Bill Bill Leonard Information Standards Specialist | Spécialiste des normes de l'information william.leon...@bac-lac.gc.ca<mailto:william.leon...@lac-bac.gc.ca> Telephone | Téléphone : +1-819-994-6936 Facsimile | Télécopieur : +1-819-934-6777 (new) Content Management Division, Metadata Sharing, Open Data | Division de gestion des contenus, Échange de métadonnées, Données ouvertes Library and Archives Canada | Bibliothèque et Archives Canada 550 De la Cité blvd | 550, blvd de la Cité Gatineau, Québec K1A 0N4 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada www.collectionscanada.gc.ca<http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: August-08-13 10:58 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization in 2.9.4.4 This topic is the subject of proposal to be put forth to JSC later this year. See 6JSC/LC/24 (particularly in the neighborhood of change #10): http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-LC-24.pdf _________________________________ Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian Yale Center for British Art, Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts 1080 Chapel Street, PO Box 208280, New Haven, CT 06520 203.432.9672 francis.la...@yale.edu<mailto:francis.la...@yale.edu> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:29 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization in 2.9.4.4 > OR, to simplify things further, and perhaps even better yet, we should get > rid > of the "(other than solely publishing)" instruction at 2.8.4.4 and just > apply the > 'principle of representation' (0.4.3.4) to 'put down what we > see' for publisher > data also. Deborah, thanks for pointing it out. I actually thought about that. But my concern is that the element title is Publisher's Name. We transcribe a publisher's name in the form as it appears on the source (the representation principle). I am not sure if the statement of function is supposed to be a part of a publisher's name. I do not mind the removal of "other than solely publishing" in instruction at 2.8.4.4. But it seems to be a big difference :) At least the relevant instructions in the three statements are not consistent. Thanks, Joan Wang On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Deborah Fritz <debo...@marcofquality.com<mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com>> wrote: This is a display issue that should be handled by the ILS setup. If the distributor information is displayed in a single line, along with the publisher, etc. information, as ISBD requires, then it is logical to retain the words or phrases indicating functions other than publishing, as per AACR: 260 $a Boulder : $b East European Monographs ; $a New York : $b Distributed by Columbia University Press, $c 2010. Displays as: Publication, etc.: Boulder : East European Monographs ; New York : Distributed by Columbia University Press, 2010. If the distributor information is in a separate MARC field (264_2) and is therefore not displayed in a single line, then there should not be any point in including the 'Distributed by' wording, since the ILS can be set up to display the separate field labeled according to the second indicator: 264 1 $a London ; $a New York : $b I.B. Tauris, $c 2012. 264 2 $a New York : $b Distributed in the United States and Canada exclusively by Palgrave Macmillan, $c [2012] Displays as: Publication: London ; New York : I.B. Tauris, 2012. Distribution: New York : Distributed in the United States and Canada exclusively by Palgrave Macmillan, [2012] The only reason for not displaying the field label for separate 264, is to try to make it look like ISBD: Displays as: Publication: London ; New York : I.B. Tauris, 2012. New York : Distributed in the United States and Canada exclusively by Palgrave Macmillan, [2012] But this doesn't display as per ISBD anyway, so it does seem that it might be time to treat these statements as separate and distinct, in which case I agree that the RDA instructions could be changed for both Distribution and Manufacture, with the addition of "(other than solely distributing)" and "(other than solely manufacturing)" OR, to simplify things further, and perhaps even better yet, we should get rid of the "(other than solely publishing)" instruction at 2.8.4.4 and just apply the 'principle of representation' (0.4.3.4) to 'put down what we see' for publisher data also. Deborah P.S. It is good to know about A.7B1 after all these years (how did I miss that??) but I still wonder what the rationale was for this capitalization, given the way it was meant to be displayed, in a string. - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com<mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com<http://www.marcofquality.com> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] On Behalf Of rball...@frontier.com<mailto:rball...@frontier.com> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:23 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization in 2.9.4.4 Joan, I disagree with your proposed rule change only because, unless one's local system is set up to specifically display something to the user that indicates that they are seeing a distribution statement (based on indicator 2), the user might wonder why there are two separate statements with no seeming difference. If the "distributed by" statement is included in $b of the 264, the role of the distributor is clear. Thanks, Kevin Roe Supervisor, Media Processing Fort Wayne Community Schools Fort Wayne, IN 46802 From: Joan Wang <jw...@illinoisheartland.org<mailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org>> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization in 2.9.4.4 I look at corresponding examples in AACR2, they are capitalized. Also, the following examples in RDA 2.9.4.4 are misleading. The recording or supplying of the function, such as distributed by and [distributor], is not necessary in RDA records. The second indicator 2 of 264 fields already indicates its function. Distributed by Independent Publishers Group Distribution by: MapArt Publishing Corporation Distributed by Coach House Records Ltd. Voluntary Committee on Overseas Aid & Development [distributor] Guild Sound and Vision [distributor] The rule should be changed like this: 2.9.4.4 Record words or phrases indicating the function (other than solely distributing) performed by a person, family, or corporate body as they appear on the source of information. My opinion! Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller <wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de<mailto:wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de>> wrote: It beats me why the examples in 2.9.4.4 (and other similar rules, e.g. 2.10.4.4) are all capitalized, e.g.: Distributed by New York Graphic Society Sold by Longman I cannot find any justification for this in appendix A. It's certainly not mentioned among the elements where the first word must always be capitalized. Corresponding examples in the ISBD consolidated (4.2.5) aren't capitalized, e.g.: distributed by Harvard University Press to be sold by Jas. Gardner So, is there something I've overlooked, or is this a mistake in RDA? Heidrun -- --------------------- Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A. Stuttgart Media University Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germany www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi<http://www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi> -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409<tel:618.656.3216x409> 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
