> In regard to question marks in the elements: If they are known or reasonably > certain, then no question marks are necessary. But when you say that an > element value is "probable", that indicates lack of certainty, which then > necessitates use of a question mark. You may KNOW that something was > published between 2000 and 2004, or you may assume that it was PROBABLY > published between 2000 and 2004; those are two different things.
Yes, Kevin. You are right. I just read RDA 1.9.2.4 and 1.9.2.5 and found the difference. Thanks. Also thanks to Adam :-) Joan Wang On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Kevin M Randall <k...@northwestern.edu>wrote: > Yes, known or probable place is certainly valid. (I would even consider > using the continent, if necessary; although I wonder if hemisphere or > "Earth" might be going a bit too far...)**** > > ** ** > > Interesting that it's "Place of publication not identified" and "publisher > not identified". The use of upper- and lowercase seems to be based on an > ISBD publication statement.**** > > ** ** > > In regard to question marks in the elements: If they are known or > reasonably certain, then no question marks are necessary. But when you say > that an element value is "probable", that indicates lack of certainty, > which then necessitates use of a question mark. You may KNOW that > something was published between 2000 and 2004, or you may assume that it > was PROBABLY published between 2000 and 2004; those are two different > things.**** > > ** ** > > Kevin M. Randall**** > > Principal Serials Cataloger**** > > Northwestern University Library**** > > k...@northwestern.edu**** > > (847) 491-2939**** > > ** ** > > Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang > *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:29 AM > *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date**** > > ** ** > > It is possible to supply a probable county, like United States? Also,Place > (upper-cased) not place > > :-)**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Khosrowpour, Shahrzad < > shahrzad.khosrowp...@colostate-pueblo.edu> wrote:**** > > Then my record will have: > > $a [place of publication not identified] : $b [publisher not identified], > $c [date of publication not identified] > > And FF will read uuuu for the 1st date? > > > > Thanks-- Shahrzad > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:09 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date > > Joan, > > The between dates should have a question mark at the end according to RDA. > > Adam Schiff > University of Washington Libraries > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Joan Wang wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:05:22 -0500 > > From: Joan Wang <jw...@illinoisheartland.org> > > Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > Access > > <RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> > > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date > > > > a) probable range of years > > > > *Example:* 264* 1* $a … : $b … , $c [between 2000 and 2004] > > > > b) known earliest and/or latest possible date > > > > *Example:* 264* 1* $a … : $b … , $c [not after August 21, 2003] > > > > c) Supply [date of publication not identified] if no date identified > > > > LC Policy: supply a date of publication if possible, rather than give > > [date of publication not identified] > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Khosrowpour, Shahrzad < > > shahrzad.khosrowp...@colostate-pueblo.edu> wrote: > > > >> Could someone give an example for that, please? **** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> I have a book that doesn’t have any information on date, publication, > >> manufacture, distribution, anything. Then how and in which field I > >> can indicate the information is taken from…. **** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> Thanks—Shahrzad**** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> Shahrzad Khosrowpour, **** > >> > >> Assistant Professor of Library Services **** > >> > >> Cataloging/Metadata Librarian**** > >> > >> Colorado State University-Pueblo**** > >> > >> **** > >> > >> *shahrzad.khosrowp...@colostate-pueblo.edu* > >> > >> * * > >> > >> * * > >> > >> * * > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > >> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *JSC > >> Secretary > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:55 AM > >> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > >> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date**** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> Gary, > >> > >> If supplying a date per 1.9.2 is not possible, then you can apply the > >> 2nd paragraph of 2.8.6.6: > >> > >> "If an approximate date of publication for a single-part resource > >> cannot reasonably be determined, record *date of publication not > identified*. > >> Indicate that the information was taken from a source outside the > >> resource itself (see 2.2.4)." > >> > >> Judy Kuhagen > >> JSC Secretary > >> > >> **** > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller < > >> wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de> wrote:**** > >> > >> Gary, > >> > >> The rules which you need can be found in 1.9.2 (Supplied date). Under > >> 1.9.2.4 (Probable range of years) there are examples like this: > >> > >> [between 1800 and 1899?] > >> [between 1400 and 1600?] > >> > >> In 2.8.6.6, there is a reference to 1.9.2. > >> > >> Heidrun**** > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 13.08.2013 21:19, Gary Oliver wrote:**** > >> > >> I have searched the Toolkit and can not locate instructions for a > >> situation like this one. If a manifestation has no date of any kind, > >> how is that recorded? There are no dates associated with the author, > >> so I do not have either an earliest or latest possible year. I would > >> say that based on the condition of the piece, I am able to assume a > >> century. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> Gary Oliver > >> Abilene Christian University**** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> -- > >> --------------------- > >> Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A. > >> Stuttgart Media University > >> Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germany > >> www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi**** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. > > Cataloger -- CMC > > Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) > > 6725 Goshen Road > > Edwardsville, IL 62025 > > 618.656.3216x409 > > 618.656.9401Fax > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Adam L. Schiff > Principal Cataloger > University of Washington Libraries > Box 352900 > Seattle, WA 98195-2900 > (206) 543-8409 > (206) 685-8782 fax > asch...@u.washington.edu > http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~**** > > > > > -- **** > > Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. > Cataloger -- CMC**** > > Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) > 6725 Goshen Road > Edwardsville, IL 62025 > 618.656.3216x409 > 618.656.9401Fax**** > -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
