Adam, [not after August 15, 2013] seems reasonable.
What would be the DtSt code and date at FF, if I use $c [not after August 15, 2013] Thanks-- Shahrzad -----Original Message----- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:26 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date Should be [Place of publication not identified] with the first word capitalized. But better to record a probable country and probable date if you can. At the very least you could do a "[not after ...]" date, e.g. [not after 2012] or [not after August 15, 2013] On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Khosrowpour, Shahrzad wrote: > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:21:44 -0600 > From: "Khosrowpour, Shahrzad" > <shahrzad.khosrowp...@colostate-pueblo.edu> > Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > <RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date > > Then my record will have: > > $a [place of publication not identified] : $b [publisher not > identified], $c [date of publication not identified] > > And FF will read uuuu for the 1st date? > > > > Thanks-- Shahrzad > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. > Schiff > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:09 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date > > Joan, > > The between dates should have a question mark at the end according to RDA. > > Adam Schiff > University of Washington Libraries > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Joan Wang wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:05:22 -0500 >> From: Joan Wang <jw...@illinoisheartland.org> >> Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access >> <RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> >> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA >> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date >> >> a) probable range of years >> >> *Example:* 264* 1* $a … : $b … , $c [between 2000 and 2004] >> >> b) known earliest and/or latest possible date >> >> *Example:* 264* 1* $a … : $b … , $c [not after August 21, 2003] >> >> c) Supply [date of publication not identified] if no date identified >> >> LC Policy: supply a date of publication if possible, rather than give >> [date of publication not identified] >> >> :-) >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Khosrowpour, Shahrzad < >> shahrzad.khosrowp...@colostate-pueblo.edu> wrote: >> >>> Could someone give an example for that, please? **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I have a book that doesn’t have any information on date, >>> publication, manufacture, distribution, anything. Then how and in >>> which field I can indicate the information is taken from…. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thanks—Shahrzad**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Shahrzad Khosrowpour, **** >>> >>> Assistant Professor of Library Services **** >>> >>> Cataloging/Metadata Librarian**** >>> >>> Colorado State University-Pueblo**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *shahrzad.khosrowp...@colostate-pueblo.edu* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * * >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and >>> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *JSC >>> Secretary >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:55 AM >>> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA >>> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Gary, >>> >>> If supplying a date per 1.9.2 is not possible, then you can apply >>> the 2nd paragraph of 2.8.6.6: >>> >>> "If an approximate date of publication for a single-part resource >>> cannot reasonably be determined, record *date of publication not >>> identified*. >>> Indicate that the information was taken from a source outside the >>> resource itself (see 2.2.4)." >>> >>> Judy Kuhagen >>> JSC Secretary >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller < >>> wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de> wrote:**** >>> >>> Gary, >>> >>> The rules which you need can be found in 1.9.2 (Supplied date). >>> Under >>> 1.9.2.4 (Probable range of years) there are examples like this: >>> >>> [between 1800 and 1899?] >>> [between 1400 and 1600?] >>> >>> In 2.8.6.6, there is a reference to 1.9.2. >>> >>> Heidrun**** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13.08.2013 21:19, Gary Oliver wrote:**** >>> >>> I have searched the Toolkit and can not locate instructions for a >>> situation like this one. If a manifestation has no date of any >>> kind, how is that recorded? There are no dates associated with the author, >>> so I do not have either an earliest or latest possible year. I would >>> say that based on the condition of the piece, I am able to assume a >>> century. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Gary Oliver >>> Abilene Christian University**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> -- >>> --------------------- >>> Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A. >>> Stuttgart Media University >>> Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germany >>> www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. >> Cataloger -- CMC >> Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) >> 6725 Goshen Road >> Edwardsville, IL 62025 >> 618.656.3216x409 >> 618.656.9401Fax >> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Adam L. Schiff > Principal Cataloger > University of Washington Libraries > Box 352900 > Seattle, WA 98195-2900 > (206) 543-8409 > (206) 685-8782 fax > asch...@u.washington.edu > http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~