My racist voyage of ignorance???????????
How dare you call me a racist! This is obviously the way you treat people
who have a different opinion to yourselves.
You do not know me from a bar of soap. You think you know me from a few
e-mails?! Don't personally attack me for my own opinions because by what you
have just said lowers yourself and that makes YOU ignorant.
All I have been doing is listening to everyone's opinions and putting
forward some questions and my own thoughts. Have I personally attacked you
or insulted you? No, because I at least respect the fact that everyone has
an opinion and we are all very different.
How quick you are to judge me over some e-mails. And you get angry at people
for doing the same thing about Aboriginal people!?!?!?!?!
Those who throw stones......
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Laurie Forde
Sent: Saturday, 18 March 2000 10:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
>Well it's not mine so no objection!
>
>See in this day and age though, things are a lot more developed and
>ownership is now bought. That was not my law or decision.
See, in those days though there was 40000 years of development and
understanding of land usage.
Karen, until you are able to comprehend that Indigenous culture has as much
right to recognition as Invader culture you will never be able to examine
the issues sensibly, and will continue on your racist voyage of ignorance.
Laurie.
>
>Things are very different these days and I think we should be taking this
>into account that we have moved on to different practices and procedures
via
>real estate. We are no longer practicing old time laws - we have become a
>civilised society where things are very business-like. You cannot please
the
>masses so there is always going to be someone unhappy with the decisions.
>
>Situation reversed: Would you move from your brand new house if someone
>suddenly came around and said you were sitting on a sacred site????
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Graham Young
>Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2000 10:51 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
>
>
>So as we are all visitors to this land and there should be none of this
>"this is mine and you took it away," (according to you) I assume you would
>have no objection to me just moving into your house and pushing you off
>because as visitors the only right that we have to property is the strength
>of our own right arm.
>
>Graham
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Karen Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:31 PM
>Subject: RE: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
>
>
>> If you're going to go back, why not go back all the way. Eventually, the
>> land was owned by no one, except the dinasours!
>>
>> As far as I am concerned we are all visitors to this land and there
should
>> be none of this "this is mine and you took it away."
>>
>> Here's a thought for you: How do we not know that many years ago the
>> Aboriginals were in fact the second or third group of people to live on
>this
>> land? How do we not know that a group of them didn't fight someone else
>for
>> it and claimed it as their own?
>> Unfortunately, it's one of those stories that could keep going back and
>back
>> and we'll never know who originally started this amazing country of our.
>> Nobody has a real answer for this because nobody knows.
>> So how about we all just accept that we are here and that we should go
>> forward?
>>
>> I read the newspapers too - I have too - and I have formed my own
>opinions.
>> We all form them from something we believe in don't we?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray
>> Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2000 9:08 AM
>> To: RecOzNet2
>> Subject: Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
>>
>>
>> I am forwarding Graham Young's message which bounced because it was too
>> long. Please, everyone remember to remove the older parts of messages
>> that are not needed for clarity.
>>
>> Trudy
>> ******************************
>> Karen,
>>
>> I am sorry that you feel that I was attacking you. That wasn't my =
>> intention at all. I am trying to understand what you think, and the =
>> only way to do that is to start with the most basic concepts and then =
>> work upwards. There has got to be some point where we can all agree on
>> =
>> something. Once we have reached a point like that it then allows us to
>> =
>> move back up the trail and find where we disagree. At the moment we are
>> =
>> disagreeing at a point so far down the track that we have moved too far
>> =
>> away from each other to be able to communicate.
>>
>> Trudy put an example to you which was a model for Aboriginal =
>> dispossession and injury. You seemed to accept that there was a moral =
>>
>> wrong involved. I sought to clarify if that is what you thought. So =
>>
>> it wasn't something that I brought up at all. It was something that had
>> =
>> come up in your conversation with Trudy.
>>
>> Why do I think that you are copping out? Because this is a basic =
>> question, and I don't see how anyone can carry out a discussion on =
>> reconciliation without having formed an opinion on it. I certainly =
>> think, reading your posts, that you have formed an opinion. If you =
>> truly haven't formed an opinion on it, then you need to. I don't spend
>> =
>> my time researching Aboriginal issues on the net, or anywhere else for =
>>
>> that matter. The research to make a decision on whether the settlement
>> =
>> was right or wrong is easy to come by. Most of what I know comes from
>> =
>> the major newspapers.
>>
>> The reason that I brought up Terra Nullius was because it is about the =
>>
>> only defence against Aboriginal dispossession being wrong. What the =
>> doctrine said was that this land was not owned by anyone before the =
>> European settlers appeared. The Aborigines and Islanders were here, but
>> =
>> they were thought not to have any right or title in the land. That =
>> entitled the Europeans to settle where they liked and set up their own =
>>
>> system of title. This was the law of the land until the Mabo decision,
>> =
>> which involved not Aborigines but the Merriam people (Micronesians I =
>> think). They had a system of individual ownership of land unlike that =
>>
>> of the Aborigines and the High Court found that this gave rise to =
>> continuing property rights under our system. In this judgement they =
>> made non-binding suggestions that there might be property rights on the
>> =
>> mainland. The rest is history as succeeding cases have confirmed that =
>>
>> those rights do exist on the Mainland, and have decided what they might
>> =
>> be, and their nature. =20
>>
>> So, maybe you disagree with the High Court and believe that the land was
>> =
>> originally owned by no-one. If so, perhaps we should start at that =
>> point. =20
>>
>> Graham Young
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: Karen Crook=20
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
>> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 5:48 PM
>> Subject: RE: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
>>
>>
>> Graham says: If you don't know enough, then do us the courtesy of =
>> doing some research and finding out.
>>
>> Karen says:=20
>> Excuse me but you were the one to bring up this subject in the first =
>>
>> place. I never once mentioned this topic. You mention it last night and
>> =
>> when I reply with an honest answer you shoot me down with a do more =
>> research?!?!?!?!
>> I answered you as honestly as I could by saying that I could not give
>> =
>> an informed opinion on something I did not know too much about.
>> And whether it is 200 years, 100 years or 50 years - it doesn't matter
>> =
>> what I think. I cannot comment on something I am not that familiar with
>> =
>> or haven't had some experience with. I'm giving my opinions on things =
>> that I have seen, heard and witnessed during my time.
>> It is not a cop out but the statement of truth.=20
>> And as I am working all day WITHOUT the internet I only get to play =
>> with it at home at night. So I do not spend all my time researching "the
>> =
>> High Court's overturning of the doctrine of Terra Nullius which found =
>> that in fact the indigenous peoples had title to this land before the =
>> Europeans came." I do have other things to do.
>> =20
>> So don't attack me for giving you an honest "I don't know enough". You
>> =
>> brought it up, not me.
>>
>> --
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