Jonathan - Here are two issues to add to your list: nav list order opposite of dynamic list order: http://groups.google.com/group/RedDot-CMS-Users/browse_thread/thread/5cab58a22016fdff cannot specify the publishing target of specific page directory: http://groups.google.com/group/RedDot-CMS-Users/browse_thread/thread/b038217a4563f845
I am still new to RedDot but these issues are crippling for projects that I have spent weeks developing. On Nov 20, 2:00 pm, Jonathan Frazier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (OK, NOW my real name should be showing :-) > > Hi Paul, > > I'm not looking for perfection - as you suggest, it probably does not > - and cannot - exist. However, I am interested in why RedDot (and, > again, other CMS products) seem to fall so short (IMHO) of the quality > I have come to expect from web applications and other software. > > Take something like trac, for example. Whilst it is an absolute pig to > install, in general, it is a very usable, high-quality product, with > an excellent accompanying community. It does its job very well indeed. > > I reiterate: maybe a 'CMS' is just too big a product to ever really be > as clean, usable, and robust as other types of software. > > - Jonathan > > On 20 Nov, 15:04, "Smith Paul \(SLH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Just to jump on the thought-train. While Reddot may have issues, so does > > every other CMS out there. We've used a number of the major players over > > the last few years and none are perfect, it just depends on what you are > > looking for in a system. What may be a major issue to one person isn't > > important to another. > > > I've seen comments about the bug/support system from Reddot. Believe me, > > there are far worse out there. One of the leading CMS vendors, who shall > > remain unnamed, couldn't even get their training course material to be bug > > free... you were unable to complete the course exercises as they were > > missing some of the necessary components on the installation CDs. You can > > only imagine what state their support system was like ;) > > > Question for Frederic... are there any plans for an English section to the > > user forums/wiki? > > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: RedDot-CMS-Users@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of markus giesen > > Sent: Wed, November 19,2008 20:45 > > To: RedDot CMS Users > > Subject: Re: RedDot gripes > > > I work with RedDot since 2001/2002. And it definetly was state of the > > art at this time. > > I can agree that there are a lot of open source CMS out there, like > > TYPO3 which back in the days was not that good but since now made some > > great efforts. > > But still I'm ore than sure, that RedDot has it's place in the > > enterprise cms world. > > The bugs and how they manage them is definetly something to discuss, > > but I think another blog which only figures out the negative sites or > > maybe negative ones is the wrong platform. > > Better publish some articles in a forum, I think even the google group > > is not the final solution for reddot related information. > > > On 19 Nov., 20:29, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > I'm trying to publicise some bugs, design flaws, and usability issues > > > relating to RedDot, for those who might be evaluating it. I'm trying > > > to foster debate about what kinds of features a modern day CMS needs > > > and how they might be implemented. I'm trying to gauge public opinion > > > - to what extent am I on my own here, and how much do others share my > > > thoughts? I'm trying to let off some steam. > > > > On Nov 19, 7:15 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I don't think you've really answered Morgan's first question. > > > > > You're interested in the comments, but what are you trying to achieve > > > > with > > > > your blog? > > > > > What purpose do you hope the comments generated by your blog will serve? > > > > > Adam > > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sayno more <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > 1. I'm interested in the comments, as evidenced - I think - by my > > > > > responses > > > > > to them. I'd like responses to my blog posts which are not "how do I > > > > > do > > > > > this" type questions, which would obviously not be appropriate in a > > > > > blog > > > > > format, by critical evaluations of a piece of software, and its > > > > > design. > > > > > > 2. I'll be interested to see how many of the gripes have been, or > > > > > will be, > > > > > addressed. As you point out, some of these gripes are genuine flaws > > > > > of the > > > > > software as it stands right now, and will be useful information for > > > > > those > > > > > who are considering adopting RedDot for their website. > > > > > > 3. This sounds quite positive, so we'll all wait and see what the > > > > > outcome > > > > > is. > > > > > > 4. I've done just that with a dedicated follow-up post. Thanks. > > > > > > 2008/11/18 theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >> Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > > > > >> 1. to clarify what you are trying to achieve with these blog posts, > > > > >> are you attempting to get some assistance and/or information with the > > > > >> issues you are describing? I think from the amount of people that > > > > >> have > > > > >> contributed to this post already that it should be demonstrated that > > > > >> there are people here looking to help you if you want it. Or from the > > > > >> sounds of your comment "I cannot see how I could possibly get a > > > > >> positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are > > > > >> pretty fundamental" have you made a decision and will not be > > > > >> interested in the comments from people here? If you could let > > > > >> everyone > > > > >> be aware of your position i think it will help the more passionate > > > > >> people here and hopefully stop this becoming an unproductive flame > > > > >> war > > > > >> (as these things types of threads tend to become) > > > > > >> 2. "I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some notice of these > > > > >> comments." RedDot have taken notice of these comments. The next > > > > >> version of reddot coming out will be addressing your gripe #1 as the > > > > >> text editor is being replaced. Gripe #2 is being addressed (i believe > > > > >> around may next year) with a cms frontend rewrite based on usability > > > > >> fundamentals. Yes these have not been released yet and do not address > > > > >> your issues "right now" but based on my previous comment other gripes > > > > >> like the ones you have been mentioned have in the past been > > > > >> progressively acknowledged and addressed - there is hope. > > > > > >> 3. You asked earlier whether reddot would charge for upgrades, I'm > > > > >> unaware of what region you are from but from ours if you are up to > > > > >> date with your software support and maintenance upgrades are > > > > >> generally > > > > >> provided under those costs (N.B. this may be different region to > > > > >> region) > > > > > >> 4. I posted in the comments a reference to this link. If possible > > > > >> could you directly edit your post to refer to this discussion? If > > > > >> people do not view the comments of the post they may miss the link. > > > > > >> Cheers, > > > > > >> - Morgan > > > > > >> On Nov 19, 1:01 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> > Thanks for the thoughtful comments, "theham". I'll be dealing with > > > > >> > a > > > > >> > lot of what you say later on, but - in the meantime: > > > > > >> > "all software is frustrating and flawed" - I think this is either > > > > >> > not > > > > >> > the case, or an awful indictment of our craft if it is. I > > > > >> > personally > > > > >> > make regular use of software that is neither flawed nor > > > > >> > frustrating; > > > > >> > as I alluded to earlier, maybe that should be rephrased as "all > > > > >> > complex software is frustrating and flawed". I take the point, of > > > > >> > course, that RedDot is not the only culprit. > > > > > >> > "If you can please update your blog post" - you beat me to it - > > > > >> > thanks :) > > > > > >> > "Why not try and get a positive outcome from your currently > > > > >> > negative > > > > >> > experience?" - of course, that would be ideal. I guess I'm feeling > > > > >> > pessimistic at the moment - I cannot see how I could possibly get a > > > > >> > positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are > > > > >> > pretty fundamental. So far, I've just dealt with the text editor > > > > >> > creating invalid markup. As someone who has, over the last couple > > > > >> > of > > > > >> > years, really embraced web standards and clean, semantic markup, > > > > >> > this > > > > >> > DOES feel like a MASSIVE deal. However, there are other topics > > > > >> > I'll be > > > > >> > discussing which, I believe, will be more significant to some of > > > > >> > you > > > > >> > (gripe #2 - just posted - probably doesn't fall under this > > > > >> > category, > > > > >> > unfortunately). I'm talking core aspects of the RedDot CMS model > > > > >> > which > > > > >> > I consider flawed. I would love it if the RedDot engineers took > > > > >> > some > > > > >> > notice of these comments. I would also love it if an alternative > > > > >> > CMS > > > > >> > (preferably open source) could be suggested, or developed if there > > > > >> > really is a gap in the market. > > > > > >> > On Nov 18, 11:19 am, theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > > > > >> > > I understand your pain and frustration. I'm a 3 y.o reddoter > > > > >> > > with a > > > > >> > > love/hate relationship with the wonderful world of reddot. I try > > > > >> > > to > > > > >> > > make sure that my clients never have to experience the hate and > > > > >> > > i deep > > > > >> > > down love the challenge. One thing i have noticed is that the > > > > >> > > biggest > > > > >> > > gripes i have with the product have been resolved progressively > > > > >> > > through the years. > > > > > >> > > 1. Complex workaround asp driven navigation has been replaced by > > > > >> > > (imo) > > > > >> > > a much flexible approach with navman > > > > >> > > 2. user syncronisation has been significantly improved with the > > > > >> > > user > > > > >> > > sync templates > > > > >> > > 3. page definitions which has simplified and sped up the > > > > >> > > building out > > > > >> > > of content > > > > > >> > > A soon to be resolved issue on my gripe list will be the text > > > > >> > > editor > > > > >> > > which is to be replaced by the telerik asp.net/ajax driven text > > > > >> editor > > > > >> > > (i heard this month but could be wrong). Though we also have had > > > > >> > > success with the ephox text editor and will be sad to see it go. > > > > > >> > > As a few people mentioned all software is frustrating and > > > > >> > > flawed.. a > > > > >> > > good example > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RedDot CMS Users" group. To post to this group, send email to RedDot-CMS-Users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/RedDot-CMS-Users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
