On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:48:39AM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote:
On Thursday 10 July 2003 21:01, Ed Wilts wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative:
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 06:32:39PM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote:
Doesn't Mozilla support IMAP? I know it supports POP3 (secure and insecure) on multiple ports. It's easy to configure, too
I've done a lot of work with mozilla and netscape, but unfortunately, on Windows, nothing touches IE. Too many webmasters assume IE and
Sorry, IE sucks (although IE Mac is fairly decent from what I here) in all areas that really count (such as standards compliance).
I had a long discussion a couple of years back with the Konqueror folks. I'll very briefly summarize what I stated then and I what I still believe.
If the product works, then it doesn't suck. If it doesn't work, it sucks. That's the bottom line to the end user. I've got commercial apps that I *have* to run at work that will not work with Netscape or mozilla. Yes, I agree that the web developers most likely isn't following the standards work. But for me, IE doesn't suck - it's the only web browser that works on every web page I visit.
I can send you to a few pages where it wouldn't work. But that would be the fault of the developer, and not the browser. However, if more developers would start following w3c standards, you would find that a large portion of web sites showing quirks in IE. I'm not saying that Netscape is without blame here, as they went thru their hayday of being non-compliant.
There are times we want to change the world, but we still need to live within the realities of the world. Browsers have to be able to properly all the web pages we need to see,
That's why there's a w3c. Mozilla, Netscape 7, and Opera all follow it better than IE.
and office documents have to be 100% interchangeable with MS Office. Like it or not, that's life in the business world.
Not in my office. The three or four MS users in our company use OpenOffice to be 'in sync' with the rest of the company which uses Linux. I work for a consulting firm that helps other companies with their computers / networks, and the area of our business that has grown more than any other over the past year is helping companies switch their desktops over to an open source OS. The business world is a'changing.
I found it amusing when I had to renew my demo RHN subsription and could not because the browser on my in-laws system was Netscape 4.75 on W98. Seriously, how hard could it have been for a Red Hat webmaster to make a simple subscription renewal work? Or for that matter, why do I have to use a browser at all? An e-mail reply should suffice.
Why should a webmaster be expected to be backwards compatible with a browser that's ANCIENT? It's like expecting RedHat to still maintain RH 1.0 (or 4.2).
Different argument. If the web page doesn't need to do anthing fancy,
then the dumbest you can make it the better. For what the RHN
subscription renewal does, links or lynx should have been able to do the
job.
Then what's the purpose of advancing technologies like HTML, CSS, XML, JavaScript, etc., if we're just going to dumb down the web sites so that every browser ever made can use it. Tell me, did you try that same RH page in IE4?
It makes no sense. If your in-laws can run Win98, upgrade them to Mozilla 1.4 or even Firebird.
Real world reality again. Life sucks don't it? Their ISP starter pack still bundles Netscape 4.75 and I didn't have time to do big upgrades, especially when you're stuck on a 56k modem in the middle of friggin' nowhere with an ISP agreement that limits you to 10 hours per month. They only live 3,000 miles from me (no kidding) and getting to work on their system isn't easy...
Send me their snail mail address, and I'll send them a CD with the latest releases of Netscape, Mozilla, and Opera.
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