On Saturday 12 July 2003 11:06, Ed Wilts wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: > On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:48:39AM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: > > On Thursday 10 July 2003 21:01, Ed Wilts wrote this in an attempt > > to be > > > > witty and informative: > > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 06:32:39PM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: > > > > Doesn't Mozilla support IMAP? I know it supports POP3 (secure > > > > and insecure) on multiple ports. It's easy to configure, too > > > > > > I've done a lot of work with mozilla and netscape, but > > > unfortunately, on Windows, nothing touches IE. Too many > > > webmasters assume IE and > > > > Sorry, IE sucks (although IE Mac is fairly decent from what I here) > > in all areas that really count (such as standards compliance). > > I had a long discussion a couple of years back with the Konqueror > folks. I'll very briefly summarize what I stated then and I what I > still believe.
Konqueror is a good browser. I really like it, but it doesn't have the features I've grown used to in Mozilla/Netscape (and even IE). > > If the product works, then it doesn't suck. If it doesn't work, it There are different levels of suckiness. > sucks. That's the bottom line to the end user. I've got commercial > apps that I *have* to run at work that will not work with Netscape or > mozilla. Yes, I agree that the web developers most likely isn't > following the standards work. But for me, IE doesn't suck - it's the Do you mean web browser developers? > only web browser that works on every web page I visit. It doesn't work on my page, and my page IS compliant. I've had to do some really UGLY stuff to my margins for IE to display the page properly (it doesn't like the padding I set for the UL's). > > There are times we want to change the world, but we still need to That should be all the time. > live within the realities of the world. Browsers have to be able to Reality is what you make of it. You choose to go with the status qou, I choose to constantly challenge it. > properly all the web pages we need to see, and office documents have > to be 100% interchangeable with MS Office. Like it or not, that's > life in the business world. Open Office rocks, it really does. > > > > I found it amusing when I had to renew my demo RHN subsription > > > and could not because the browser on my in-laws system was > > > Netscape 4.75 on W98. Seriously, how hard could it have been for > > > a Red Hat webmaster to make a simple subscription renewal work? > > > Or for that matter, why do I have to use a browser at all? An > > > e-mail reply should suffice. > > > > Why should a webmaster be expected to be backwards compatible with > > a browser that's ANCIENT? It's like expecting RedHat to still > > maintain RH 1.0 (or 4.2). > > Different argument. If the web page doesn't need to do anthing Not at all. > fancy, then the dumbest you can make it the better. For what the RHN > subscription renewal does, links or lynx should have been able to do > the job. I've renewed my subscription once or twice with lynx. It wasn't easy (I don't like command line browsers, but of the two I've used (links and lynx) lynx does the job the best), but it worked. > > >It makes no sense. If your in-laws can run Win98, upgrade > > them to Mozilla 1.4 or even Firebird. > > Real world reality again. Life sucks don't it? Their ISP starter > pack still bundles Netscape 4.75 and I didn't have time to do big So does most every other ISP starter pack. > upgrades, especially when you're stuck on a 56k modem in the middle > of friggin' nowhere with an ISP agreement that limits you to 10 hours > per month. They only live 3,000 miles from me (no kidding) and > getting to work on their system isn't easy... <snip> I can snail mail them Mozilla, OpenOffice, and pretty much anything else you think they would need. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
