I'm with Tom on this. I'm not interested in the Red Sox optimizing profit. If I wanted to optimize my entertainment dollar I'd have season's tickets to the Tornadoes.
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm paying $50 a ticket for decent grandstand seats. Yes, I expect above > average players at every position. > > Perhaps the Red Sox are getting spoiled. > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Steve Ouellette > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Heathliff Slocumb was nothing, but it's not a point worth fighting over. >> >> Varitek played four years of high level college baseball, was drafted in >> the first round, twice, and played three unimpressive minor league seasons. >> At 25, when the Sox got him, he looked like a bust or possibly a career >> backup. Physical tools, but no performance. A .742 AAA OPS at age 25 does >> not look like a future all-star. >> >> Salty got drafted out of high school in the first round and had to work >> his way up through the minors. He had a fantastic season as a 20-year-old in >> High-A in 2005, then struggled in AA (.733 OPS) at age 21, his fourth >> season. Still, he played most of the next season (2007) with the Braves >> anyway -- before he was ready. He's struggled since then (I don't think it's >> fair to say the Braves gave up on him -- he was packaged with Neftali Feliz >> and Elvis Andrus for Teixeira) and been up and down. >> >> Salty has 800-plus major league at bats at the same age as Varitek was >> just breaking in. I think it's too early to call him a bust when Varitek was >> struggling in the minors at the exact same point of their career. He's had >> injury problems, which might not go away, and Andy Marte could be an apt >> comparison -- a guy whose physical skills never translated to success. He's >> got talent and the potential to be very good. I'm looking forward to seeing >> him get a chance. >> >> Am I the only person who doesn't see the need to put an established >> 30-something at every starting position? Red Sox fans are so spoiled ... >> >> Steve O >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I'm wary of the Tek comparisons as well. To Steve O's comment, Tek wasn't >>> acquired for "nothing" at the time. Seattle was in a pennant race and needed >>> to overpay to acquire a closer, even one as suspect at Heathcliff Slocumb. >>> (He did save 27 games that year for BOS/SEA.) >>> >>> Still, it was a terrible deal, I know. But only in hindsight. >>> >>> But Tek had only been in the minors for two years, not six or seven like >>> Salty. He was just a young catcher. Not a project that's now our starting >>> catcher. >>> >>> From the ESPN article on the trade: >>> >>> >>> Last winter Saltalamacchia had surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome, >>> which is a combination of pain in the neck and shoulder. It causes >>> numbness and a weak grip. >>> >>> "He's had a difficult recovery from that," Epstein said. >>> >>> Saltalamacchia said he thought it was time for a fresh start. >>> >>> "I loved it here in Texas and really bonded with a lot of those guys," he >>> said. "But for whatever reason it wasn't a fit. That's OK. I'm excited to go >>> to Boston and keep working." >>> >>> Saltalamacchia said he already has talked to Epstein. >>> >>> "He wanted me to keep doing what I've been doing," Saltalamacchia said. >>> "They gave up some good players to get me, so I feel good about how they >>> value me." >>> >>> Saltalamacchia has had throwing issues this season, including trouble >>> throwing the ball back to the pitcher. Boston had scouts watching him >>> right up until the deadline, and they, as well as Saltalamacchia, are >>> convinced those woes are a thing of the past. >>> >>> "Once I figured out it wasn't mental, I was OK," Saltalamacchia said. "It >>> was a physical issue where I wasn't in the proper arm slot and then I made >>> it a mental issue. Now I'm throwing in the right slot and it's fine." >>> >>> "He's battled some throwing issues earlier this year, but he didn't take >>> time off and he really battled through them," Epstein said. "He's >>> throwing the ball back to the pitcher fine and throwing to the bases pretty >>> well. We feel like he's a classic guy with a high ceiling who needs a >>> change of scenery." >>> >>> Epstein and the Red Sox believe they can work with Saltalamacchia to >>> "unleash that potential at some point" and the club is hoping he can >>> help in the short and long term. >>> -- >>> >>> Perhaps they've solved all those problems. But we won't - and they won't >>> - know until April or May. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm willing to be wowed with some spectacular move down the road, but >>>> I can't shake the idea that Theo has bungled his free agency decisions in >>>> the past 12 months. By not paying reasonable deals for Jason Bay and >>>> VMart, >>>> he may now have to overpay for Werth, whose numbers are at best comparable >>>> to Bay for a player of the same age, or Crawford, who I don't think offers >>>> the Sox much they don't already have. >>>> >>>> And I dread a year of Saltalamacchia. Atlanta (which does a pretty fair >>>> job of sizing up prospects -- remember Andy Marte?) and Texas both gave up >>>> on him. I hope I'm wrong and that the Tek comparison that gets thrown about >>>> comes true, but I'm not optimistic. >>>> >>>> -- Matt >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* William Marino <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 10:40:26 AM >>>> *Subject:* RE: Tek Back! >>>> >>>> That’s my point. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dan DiBiase >>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 10:07 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What's the uncertainly at SS and CF? It's Scutaro and Ellsbury... >>>> >>>> As far as catching, hard to say, but certainly wear and tear comes into >>>> it, even at a young age. One of my HS-age nephews is an avid baseball >>>> player, >>>> playing on several teams year-round, and is pretty good. He played >>>> catcher, second base and pitched a little. He gave up the catching because >>>> he said he was getting too beat up..... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan D >>>> Central NJ USA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* William Marino <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 9:47:24 AM >>>> *Subject:* RE: Tek Back! >>>> >>>> Why is it so hard to develop good catchers? Is it because the really >>>> good athletes don’t want to play that position? Other thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’d love to see Salty work out, but how can we go into the season with >>>> uncertainty at catcher, short stop and center field? >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected] ] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 8:25 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I could get behind that. I'd trade hitting for pitching at this point. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe they're saving their money for Cliff Lee? >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:14 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>> >>>> yes. When we face lefties we get to play the guy who can't throw. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh goodie we're platooning now. >>>> >>>> On Dec 2, 2010 7:57 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> As much as I'd prefer for Tek to retire, he still hits lefties well, and >>>> Salty hits righties well. I'm willing to give the guy with all the letters >>>> a >>>> chance to prove himself. He actually reminds me of a young Tek -- heralded >>>> draft choice who stagnated, got traded for practically nothing, then >>>> established himself after 25. >>>> >>>> Steve O >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >>>> > Can we have a DH for cat... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Author of Robot >>>> Haiku<http://www.amazon.com/Robot-Haiku-Humans-Robots-Decide/dp/1440511977/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1289168402&sr=8-1> >>>> : Poems >>>> for humans to read until their robots decide it's kill time. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You 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