Honestly, we have a Yankee-like payroll. But we're going to be "smart" and win with our wits rather than our financial might.
Pppthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtt! Fine. Charge me $25 a ticket. Slim down to an $85m payroll and you can be as crafty as you want. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh aren't you precious and pure. > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Steve Ouellette > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Red Sox nation would have a seizure if the Sox gave a Troy O'Leary a job >> these days. Or went into a season with Bill Mueller at third base, or Mark >> Bellhorn anywhere in the infield. >> >> I don't WANT a $15 million player at every position. Makes me feel all >> icky and Yankee-like. >> >> Steve O >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The poster child for reclamation is David Ortiz. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> What I don't expect is last year's back up catcher and a reclamation >>>> project to cementing the infield. >>>> >>>> This isn't an argument, just a question. >>>> >>>> Has the current regime had any luck with the "change of >>>> scenery/reclaimation" players? Will Mo. Smoltz. Penny. I guess Bronson >>>> Arroyo, but he was traded for Wily Mo. It's too soon to count Darnell >>>> McDonald or Nava. >>>> >>>> At least Duquette had Wakefield and Troy O'Leary. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tom stole part of my thunder. The Sox play in the tough American >>>>> League and the brutal AL East, and they charge the highest ticket prices >>>>> in >>>>> baseball. Red Sox fans have every right to expect more. >>>>> >>>>> -- Matt >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 11:58:29 AM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>>> >>>>> I'm paying $50 a ticket for decent grandstand seats. Yes, I expect >>>>> above average players at every position. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps the Red Sox are getting spoiled. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Steve Ouellette < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Heathliff Slocumb was nothing, but it's not a point worth fighting >>>>>> over. >>>>>> >>>>>> Varitek played four years of high level college baseball, was drafted >>>>>> in the first round, twice, and played three unimpressive minor league >>>>>> seasons. At 25, when the Sox got him, he looked like a bust or possibly a >>>>>> career backup. Physical tools, but no performance. A .742 AAA OPS at age >>>>>> 25 >>>>>> does not look like a future all-star. >>>>>> >>>>>> Salty got drafted out of high school in the first round and had to >>>>>> work his way up through the minors. He had a fantastic season as a >>>>>> 20-year-old in High-A in 2005, then struggled in AA (.733 OPS) at age 21, >>>>>> his fourth season. Still, he played most of the next season (2007) with >>>>>> the >>>>>> Braves anyway -- before he was ready. He's struggled since then (I don't >>>>>> think it's fair to say the Braves gave up on him -- he was packaged with >>>>>> Neftali Feliz and Elvis Andrus for Teixeira) and been up and down. >>>>>> >>>>>> Salty has 800-plus major league at bats at the same age as Varitek was >>>>>> just breaking in. I think it's too early to call him a bust when Varitek >>>>>> was >>>>>> struggling in the minors at the exact same point of their career. He's >>>>>> had >>>>>> injury problems, which might not go away, and Andy Marte could be an apt >>>>>> comparison -- a guy whose physical skills never translated to success. >>>>>> He's >>>>>> got talent and the potential to be very good. I'm looking forward to >>>>>> seeing >>>>>> him get a chance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I the only person who doesn't see the need to put an established >>>>>> 30-something at every starting position? Red Sox fans are so spoiled ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve O >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm wary of the Tek comparisons as well. To Steve O's comment, Tek >>>>>>> wasn't acquired for "nothing" at the time. Seattle was in a pennant >>>>>>> race and >>>>>>> needed to overpay to acquire a closer, even one as suspect at Heathcliff >>>>>>> Slocumb. (He did save 27 games that year for BOS/SEA.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Still, it was a terrible deal, I know. But only in hindsight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But Tek had only been in the minors for two years, not six or seven >>>>>>> like Salty. He was just a young catcher. Not a project that's now our >>>>>>> starting catcher. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From the ESPN article on the trade: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Last winter Saltalamacchia had surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome, >>>>>>> which is a combination of pain in the neck and shoulder. It causes >>>>>>> numbness and a weak grip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "He's had a difficult recovery from that," Epstein said. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saltalamacchia said he thought it was time for a fresh start. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "I loved it here in Texas and really bonded with a lot of those >>>>>>> guys," he said. "But for whatever reason it wasn't a fit. That's OK. I'm >>>>>>> excited to go to Boston and keep working." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saltalamacchia said he already has talked to Epstein. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "He wanted me to keep doing what I've been doing," Saltalamacchia >>>>>>> said. "They gave up some good players to get me, so I feel good about >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> they value me." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saltalamacchia has had throwing issues this season, including trouble >>>>>>> throwing the ball back to the pitcher. Boston had scouts watching >>>>>>> him right up until the deadline, and they, as well as Saltalamacchia, >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> convinced those woes are a thing of the past. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Once I figured out it wasn't mental, I was OK," Saltalamacchia said. >>>>>>> "It was a physical issue where I wasn't in the proper arm slot and then >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> made it a mental issue. Now I'm throwing in the right slot and it's >>>>>>> fine." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "He's battled some throwing issues earlier this year, but he didn't >>>>>>> take time off and he really battled through them," Epstein said. "He's >>>>>>> throwing the ball back to the pitcher fine and throwing to the bases >>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>> well. We feel like he's a classic guy with a high ceiling who needs >>>>>>> a change of scenery." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Epstein and the Red Sox believe they can work with Saltalamacchia to >>>>>>> "unleash that potential at some point" and the club is hoping he can >>>>>>> help in the short and long term. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps they've solved all those problems. But we won't - and they >>>>>>> won't - know until April or May. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm willing to be wowed with some spectacular move down the road, >>>>>>>> but I can't shake the idea that Theo has bungled his free agency >>>>>>>> decisions >>>>>>>> in the past 12 months. By not paying reasonable deals for Jason Bay >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> VMart, he may now have to overpay for Werth, whose numbers are at best >>>>>>>> comparable to Bay for a player of the same age, or Crawford, who I >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> think offers the Sox much they don't already have. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And I dread a year of Saltalamacchia. Atlanta (which does a pretty >>>>>>>> fair job of sizing up prospects -- remember Andy Marte?) and Texas >>>>>>>> both gave >>>>>>>> up on him. I hope I'm wrong and that the Tek comparison that gets >>>>>>>> thrown >>>>>>>> about comes true, but I'm not optimistic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Matt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> *From:* William Marino <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 10:40:26 AM >>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: Tek Back! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That’s my point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dan DiBiase >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 10:07 AM >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What's the uncertainly at SS and CF? It's Scutaro and Ellsbury... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as catching, hard to say, but certainly wear and tear comes >>>>>>>> into it, even at a young age. One of my HS-age nephews is an avid >>>>>>>> baseball >>>>>>>> player, >>>>>>>> playing on several teams year-round, and is pretty good. He played >>>>>>>> catcher, second base and pitched a little. He gave up the catching >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> he said he was getting too beat up..... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dan D >>>>>>>> Central NJ USA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* William Marino <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 9:47:24 AM >>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: Tek Back! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why is it so hard to develop good catchers? Is it because the >>>>>>>> really good athletes don’t want to play that position? Other thoughts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’d love to see Salty work out, but how can we go into the season >>>>>>>> with uncertainty at catcher, short stop and center field? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>>> [email protected] ] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 8:25 AM >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I could get behind that. I'd trade hitting for pitching at this >>>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe they're saving their money for Cliff Lee? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:14 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes. When we face lefties we get to play the guy who can't throw. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh goodie we're platooning now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2010 7:57 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As much as I'd prefer for Tek to retire, he still hits lefties well, >>>>>>>> and Salty hits righties well. I'm willing to give the guy with all the >>>>>>>> letters a chance to prove himself. He actually reminds me of a young >>>>>>>> Tek -- >>>>>>>> heralded draft choice who stagnated, got traded for practically >>>>>>>> nothing, >>>>>>>> then established himself after 25. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > Can we have a DH for cat... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Author of Robot >>>>>>>> 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