He was nothing when the Sox got him. Wasn't even drafted in Tom's Roto league.
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>wrote: > David Ortiz? > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What I don't expect is last year's back up catcher and a reclamation >> project to cementing the infield. >> >> This isn't an argument, just a question. >> >> Has the current regime had any luck with the "change of >> scenery/reclaimation" players? Will Mo. Smoltz. Penny. I guess Bronson >> Arroyo, but he was traded for Wily Mo. It's too soon to count Darnell >> McDonald or Nava. >> >> At least Duquette had Wakefield and Troy O'Leary. >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Tom stole part of my thunder. The Sox play in the tough American League >>> and the brutal AL East, and they charge the highest ticket prices in >>> baseball. Red Sox fans have every right to expect more. >>> >>> -- Matt >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 11:58:29 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>> >>> I'm paying $50 a ticket for decent grandstand seats. Yes, I expect above >>> average players at every position. >>> >>> Perhaps the Red Sox are getting spoiled. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Steve Ouellette < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Heathliff Slocumb was nothing, but it's not a point worth fighting over. >>>> >>>> Varitek played four years of high level college baseball, was drafted in >>>> the first round, twice, and played three unimpressive minor league seasons. >>>> At 25, when the Sox got him, he looked like a bust or possibly a career >>>> backup. Physical tools, but no performance. A .742 AAA OPS at age 25 does >>>> not look like a future all-star. >>>> >>>> Salty got drafted out of high school in the first round and had to work >>>> his way up through the minors. He had a fantastic season as a 20-year-old >>>> in >>>> High-A in 2005, then struggled in AA (.733 OPS) at age 21, his fourth >>>> season. Still, he played most of the next season (2007) with the Braves >>>> anyway -- before he was ready. He's struggled since then (I don't think >>>> it's >>>> fair to say the Braves gave up on him -- he was packaged with Neftali Feliz >>>> and Elvis Andrus for Teixeira) and been up and down. >>>> >>>> Salty has 800-plus major league at bats at the same age as Varitek was >>>> just breaking in. I think it's too early to call him a bust when Varitek >>>> was >>>> struggling in the minors at the exact same point of their career. He's had >>>> injury problems, which might not go away, and Andy Marte could be an apt >>>> comparison -- a guy whose physical skills never translated to success. He's >>>> got talent and the potential to be very good. I'm looking forward to seeing >>>> him get a chance. >>>> >>>> Am I the only person who doesn't see the need to put an established >>>> 30-something at every starting position? Red Sox fans are so spoiled ... >>>> >>>> Steve O >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm wary of the Tek comparisons as well. To Steve O's comment, Tek >>>>> wasn't acquired for "nothing" at the time. Seattle was in a pennant race >>>>> and >>>>> needed to overpay to acquire a closer, even one as suspect at Heathcliff >>>>> Slocumb. (He did save 27 games that year for BOS/SEA.) >>>>> >>>>> Still, it was a terrible deal, I know. But only in hindsight. >>>>> >>>>> But Tek had only been in the minors for two years, not six or seven >>>>> like Salty. He was just a young catcher. Not a project that's now our >>>>> starting catcher. >>>>> >>>>> From the ESPN article on the trade: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Last winter Saltalamacchia had surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome, >>>>> which is a combination of pain in the neck and shoulder. It causes >>>>> numbness and a weak grip. >>>>> >>>>> "He's had a difficult recovery from that," Epstein said. >>>>> >>>>> Saltalamacchia said he thought it was time for a fresh start. >>>>> >>>>> "I loved it here in Texas and really bonded with a lot of those guys," >>>>> he said. "But for whatever reason it wasn't a fit. That's OK. I'm excited >>>>> to >>>>> go to Boston and keep working." >>>>> >>>>> Saltalamacchia said he already has talked to Epstein. >>>>> >>>>> "He wanted me to keep doing what I've been doing," Saltalamacchia said. >>>>> "They gave up some good players to get me, so I feel good about how they >>>>> value me." >>>>> >>>>> Saltalamacchia has had throwing issues this season, including trouble >>>>> throwing the ball back to the pitcher. Boston had scouts watching him >>>>> right up until the deadline, and they, as well as Saltalamacchia, are >>>>> convinced those woes are a thing of the past. >>>>> >>>>> "Once I figured out it wasn't mental, I was OK," Saltalamacchia said. >>>>> "It was a physical issue where I wasn't in the proper arm slot and then I >>>>> made it a mental issue. Now I'm throwing in the right slot and it's fine." >>>>> >>>>> "He's battled some throwing issues earlier this year, but he didn't >>>>> take time off and he really battled through them," Epstein said. "He's >>>>> throwing the ball back to the pitcher fine and throwing to the bases >>>>> pretty >>>>> well. We feel like he's a classic guy with a high ceiling who needs a >>>>> change of scenery." >>>>> >>>>> Epstein and the Red Sox believe they can work with Saltalamacchia to >>>>> "unleash that potential at some point" and the club is hoping he can >>>>> help in the short and long term. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps they've solved all those problems. But we won't - and they >>>>> won't - know until April or May. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm willing to be wowed with some spectacular move down the road, >>>>>> but I can't shake the idea that Theo has bungled his free agency >>>>>> decisions >>>>>> in the past 12 months. By not paying reasonable deals for Jason Bay and >>>>>> VMart, he may now have to overpay for Werth, whose numbers are at best >>>>>> comparable to Bay for a player of the same age, or Crawford, who I don't >>>>>> think offers the Sox much they don't already have. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I dread a year of Saltalamacchia. Atlanta (which does a pretty >>>>>> fair job of sizing up prospects -- remember Andy Marte?) and Texas both >>>>>> gave >>>>>> up on him. I hope I'm wrong and that the Tek comparison that gets thrown >>>>>> about comes true, but I'm not optimistic. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* William Marino <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 10:40:26 AM >>>>>> *Subject:* RE: Tek Back! >>>>>> >>>>>> That’s my point. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dan DiBiase >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 10:07 AM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What's the uncertainly at SS and CF? It's Scutaro and Ellsbury... >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as catching, hard to say, but certainly wear and tear comes >>>>>> into it, even at a young age. One of my HS-age nephews is an avid >>>>>> baseball >>>>>> player, >>>>>> playing on several teams year-round, and is pretty good. He played >>>>>> catcher, second base and pitched a little. He gave up the catching >>>>>> because >>>>>> he said he was getting too beat up..... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan D >>>>>> Central NJ USA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* William Marino <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 9:47:24 AM >>>>>> *Subject:* RE: Tek Back! >>>>>> >>>>>> Why is it so hard to develop good catchers? Is it because the really >>>>>> good athletes don’t want to play that position? Other thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I’d love to see Salty work out, but how can we go into the season with >>>>>> uncertainty at catcher, short stop and center field? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>> [email protected] ] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 8:25 AM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I could get behind that. I'd trade hitting for pitching at this >>>>>> point. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe they're saving their money for Cliff Lee? >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:14 PM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>>>> >>>>>> yes. When we face lefties we get to play the guy who can't throw. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh goodie we're platooning now. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 2, 2010 7:57 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> As much as I'd prefer for Tek to retire, he still hits lefties well, >>>>>> and Salty hits righties well. I'm willing to give the guy with all the >>>>>> letters a chance to prove himself. He actually reminds me of a young Tek >>>>>> -- >>>>>> heralded draft choice who stagnated, got traded for practically nothing, >>>>>> then established himself after 25. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve O >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > Can we have a DH for cat... >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Author of Robot >>>>>> Haiku<http://www.amazon.com/Robot-Haiku-Humans-Robots-Decide/dp/1440511977/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1289168402&sr=8-1> >>>>>> : Poems >>>>>> for humans to read 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