There's more to the story. Someone picked him but didn't have room in his DH slot. Screwed everyone up.
I won't name names..... On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > He was nothing when the Sox got him. > > Wasn't even drafted in Tom's Roto league. > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steve Ouellette > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> David Ortiz? >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> What I don't expect is last year's back up catcher and a reclamation >>> project to cementing the infield. >>> >>> This isn't an argument, just a question. >>> >>> Has the current regime had any luck with the "change of >>> scenery/reclaimation" players? Will Mo. Smoltz. Penny. I guess Bronson >>> Arroyo, but he was traded for Wily Mo. It's too soon to count Darnell >>> McDonald or Nava. >>> >>> At least Duquette had Wakefield and Troy O'Leary. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Tom stole part of my thunder. The Sox play in the tough American >>>> League and the brutal AL East, and they charge the highest ticket prices in >>>> baseball. Red Sox fans have every right to expect more. >>>> >>>> -- Matt >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 11:58:29 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>> >>>> I'm paying $50 a ticket for decent grandstand seats. Yes, I expect above >>>> average players at every position. >>>> >>>> Perhaps the Red Sox are getting spoiled. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Steve Ouellette < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Heathliff Slocumb was nothing, but it's not a point worth fighting >>>>> over. >>>>> >>>>> Varitek played four years of high level college baseball, was drafted >>>>> in the first round, twice, and played three unimpressive minor league >>>>> seasons. At 25, when the Sox got him, he looked like a bust or possibly a >>>>> career backup. Physical tools, but no performance. A .742 AAA OPS at age >>>>> 25 >>>>> does not look like a future all-star. >>>>> >>>>> Salty got drafted out of high school in the first round and had to work >>>>> his way up through the minors. He had a fantastic season as a 20-year-old >>>>> in >>>>> High-A in 2005, then struggled in AA (.733 OPS) at age 21, his fourth >>>>> season. Still, he played most of the next season (2007) with the Braves >>>>> anyway -- before he was ready. He's struggled since then (I don't think >>>>> it's >>>>> fair to say the Braves gave up on him -- he was packaged with Neftali >>>>> Feliz >>>>> and Elvis Andrus for Teixeira) and been up and down. >>>>> >>>>> Salty has 800-plus major league at bats at the same age as Varitek was >>>>> just breaking in. I think it's too early to call him a bust when Varitek >>>>> was >>>>> struggling in the minors at the exact same point of their career. He's had >>>>> injury problems, which might not go away, and Andy Marte could be an apt >>>>> comparison -- a guy whose physical skills never translated to success. >>>>> He's >>>>> got talent and the potential to be very good. I'm looking forward to >>>>> seeing >>>>> him get a chance. >>>>> >>>>> Am I the only person who doesn't see the need to put an established >>>>> 30-something at every starting position? Red Sox fans are so spoiled ... >>>>> >>>>> Steve O >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm wary of the Tek comparisons as well. To Steve O's comment, Tek >>>>>> wasn't acquired for "nothing" at the time. Seattle was in a pennant race >>>>>> and >>>>>> needed to overpay to acquire a closer, even one as suspect at Heathcliff >>>>>> Slocumb. (He did save 27 games that year for BOS/SEA.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Still, it was a terrible deal, I know. But only in hindsight. >>>>>> >>>>>> But Tek had only been in the minors for two years, not six or seven >>>>>> like Salty. He was just a young catcher. Not a project that's now our >>>>>> starting catcher. >>>>>> >>>>>> From the ESPN article on the trade: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Last winter Saltalamacchia had surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome, >>>>>> which is a combination of pain in the neck and shoulder. It causes >>>>>> numbness and a weak grip. >>>>>> >>>>>> "He's had a difficult recovery from that," Epstein said. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saltalamacchia said he thought it was time for a fresh start. >>>>>> >>>>>> "I loved it here in Texas and really bonded with a lot of those guys," >>>>>> he said. "But for whatever reason it wasn't a fit. That's OK. I'm >>>>>> excited to >>>>>> go to Boston and keep working." >>>>>> >>>>>> Saltalamacchia said he already has talked to Epstein. >>>>>> >>>>>> "He wanted me to keep doing what I've been doing," Saltalamacchia >>>>>> said. "They gave up some good players to get me, so I feel good about how >>>>>> they value me." >>>>>> >>>>>> Saltalamacchia has had throwing issues this season, including trouble >>>>>> throwing the ball back to the pitcher. Boston had scouts watching him >>>>>> right up until the deadline, and they, as well as Saltalamacchia, are >>>>>> convinced those woes are a thing of the past. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Once I figured out it wasn't mental, I was OK," Saltalamacchia said. >>>>>> "It was a physical issue where I wasn't in the proper arm slot and then I >>>>>> made it a mental issue. Now I'm throwing in the right slot and it's >>>>>> fine." >>>>>> >>>>>> "He's battled some throwing issues earlier this year, but he didn't >>>>>> take time off and he really battled through them," Epstein said. "He's >>>>>> throwing the ball back to the pitcher fine and throwing to the bases >>>>>> pretty >>>>>> well. We feel like he's a classic guy with a high ceiling who needs a >>>>>> change of scenery." >>>>>> >>>>>> Epstein and the Red Sox believe they can work with Saltalamacchia to >>>>>> "unleash that potential at some point" and the club is hoping he can >>>>>> help in the short and long term. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps they've solved all those problems. But we won't - and they >>>>>> won't - know until April or May. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm willing to be wowed with some spectacular move down the road, >>>>>>> but I can't shake the idea that Theo has bungled his free agency >>>>>>> decisions >>>>>>> in the past 12 months. By not paying reasonable deals for Jason Bay and >>>>>>> VMart, he may now have to overpay for Werth, whose numbers are at best >>>>>>> comparable to Bay for a player of the same age, or Crawford, who I don't >>>>>>> think offers the Sox much they don't already have. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I dread a year of Saltalamacchia. Atlanta (which does a pretty >>>>>>> fair job of sizing up prospects -- remember Andy Marte?) and Texas both >>>>>>> gave >>>>>>> up on him. I hope I'm wrong and that the Tek comparison that gets thrown >>>>>>> about comes true, but I'm not optimistic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Matt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* William Marino <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 10:40:26 AM >>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: Tek Back! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That’s my point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dan DiBiase >>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 10:07 AM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's the uncertainly at SS and CF? It's Scutaro and Ellsbury... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as catching, hard to say, but certainly wear and tear comes >>>>>>> into it, even at a young age. One of my HS-age nephews is an avid >>>>>>> baseball >>>>>>> player, >>>>>>> playing on several teams year-round, and is pretty good. He played >>>>>>> catcher, second base and pitched a little. He gave up the catching >>>>>>> because >>>>>>> he said he was getting too beat up..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dan D >>>>>>> Central NJ USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* William Marino <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, December 3, 2010 9:47:24 AM >>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: Tek Back! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why is it so hard to develop good catchers? Is it because the really >>>>>>> good athletes don’t want to play that position? Other thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’d love to see Salty work out, but how can we go into the season >>>>>>> with uncertainty at catcher, short stop and center field? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected] ] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 8:25 AM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I could get behind that. I'd trade hitting for pitching at this >>>>>>> point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe they're saving their money for Cliff Lee? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:14 PM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Tek Back! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes. When we face lefties we get to play the guy who can't throw. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh goodie we're platooning now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2010 7:57 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As much as I'd prefer for Tek to retire, he still hits lefties well, >>>>>>> and Salty hits righties well. I'm willing to give the guy with all the >>>>>>> letters a chance to prove himself. He actually reminds me of a young >>>>>>> Tek -- >>>>>>> heralded draft choice who stagnated, got traded for practically nothing, >>>>>>> then established himself after 25. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Can we have a DH for cat... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Author of Robot >>>>>>> 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