So this "Hatchet job" idea. Does this mean that the paper printed things that were true but should have been kept under wraps?
It seems if all this were true it's hard to call it a hatchet job. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Could be both. The ownership stake gets the Globe access to the owners. In > order to maintain that access reporters may have to make compromises like > not mentioning the principal owners in today's smear job. > > I'm not saying the Globe would print a lie. And the reporter tried to get > comments on all accusations, talking to Francona and Varitek (huge > leadership points, btw, for hanging up on the reporter instead of coming to > the team's defense. nice.) > > That goes to my point about getting comment from the owners. Hohler might > have said to Lucchino, "Look talk to me and I won' t mention you > specifically but I'm NOT going to suggest that you declined to comment when > you in fact did." > > Hence the general - I talked to lots of people who asked not to be > identified. > > Anyway, I know I'm speculating here, but it feels right. > > And to your point about lots of people having "concerns" about Francona. > That's a really serious charge. If that came from a secondary source, > someone with no real insights from Francona's bosses on his use of pain > killers than Hohler would have HAD to ask Epstein, Lucchino & Co about it. > It'd be irresponsible not too. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So here's the question. >> >> Is the Globe: >> >> 1. A mouthpiece for the ownership...doing it's evil bidding? >> >> or >> >> 2. Doing its job? (As Tom said). >> >> Could it be both? >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Could the fact that the Globe through the NYT owns part of the Red Sox >>> have had any role in the way the story was played? >>> >>> I share Tom's concern about this ownership. Every time someone leaves the >>> team, that person gets smeared. If I had to guess, it's mostly the dark arts >>> of Lucchino at work. Is he really that friggin' valuable to the operation >>> that he's kept around? >>> >>> -- Matt >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:47 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: Theo Replacement >>> >>> Well, I did say they weren't racists. >>> >>> Anyway, I look forward to Lucchino's blistering defense of Francona in >>> tomorrow's paper. Or perhaps he can address the question of why they'd let a >>> drug-addled person manage a major league ball club. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I don't know. I'm certainly not going to move towards Yawkee-esque shame >>> over this. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Ray, >>> >>> The Globe agreed to ownership's interview terms: We'll tell you what we >>> want you to know provided you keep our names out of it. >>> >>> You can criticize the paper, I guess. But they're job is to get >>> information out there. If the price for that information is keeping out a >>> "declined to comment" sentence then so be it. Not too heavy a price. >>> >>> I mean, this happens in Washington all the time. Everything is on back >>> ground, not for attribution. >>> >>> -Tom >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Then how did that get past the self-respecting editor? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> *Here's what bothers me most about the article. At no point does Hohler >>> tell us that Lucchino, Henry or Warner refused to comment. He doesn't even >>> mention the Trio except to describe the owner of the yacht.* >>> * >>> * >>> *He does cast a wide...* >>> * >>> * >>> *"This article is based on a series of interviews the Globe conducted >>> with individuals familiar with the Sox operation at all levels. Most >>> requested anonymity out of concern for their jobs or potential damage to >>> their relationships in the organization. Others refused to comment or did >>> not respond to interview requests."* >>> * >>> * >>> *But to not SPECIFICALLY state that he reached out to the ownership and >>> they declined to comment tells me one thing.* >>> * >>> * >>> *They did comment on the grounds that he not drag them into the story. >>> And he probably refused to insert "declined to comment" because they >>> actually had commented.* >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I don't get this. >>> >>> First you said that no self-respecting editor would publish an article >>> without at least being able to say that the ownership declined to comment. >>> But then when they did publish an article without reference to the >>> ownership commenting, you say the paper is doing it's job. >>> >>> So I'm confused now as to what you're saying. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> The problem is the paper printing the article? >>> >>> The paper is doing its job. >>> >>> I am assuming they are the sources or they authorized sources to speak on >>> their behalf. I can't believe that Hohler would have collected this from >>> minions and NOT called ownership for a comment. >>> >>> Assume he did, why wouldn't they go on the record saying something like: >>> "we're not going to make accusations of our former manager" and distance >>> themselves from the story? >>> >>> So are you assuming Hohler didn't call Henry/Lucchino for comment? I'd >>> say that's far less likely than Lucchino spreading stuff around. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> How does the self-respecting editor let it pass without that? >>> >>> I mean, you're assuming that they are the sources, but the real problem >>> is the reporter and paper printing the piece as is. The owners may, or may >>> not, be the sources, but there is no way to tell for sure. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> And my point about the commenting is this. They DID comment, but they >>> didn't want the comments tied to them. >>> >>> Otherwise, no respectable editor would let this article pass without >>> telling the reporter, "This is some pretty damning stuff. Did you talk to >>> the owners? If so, can we at least put in here that John Henry or Lucchino >>> declined to comment." >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> No, I think they basically authorized the article. Happens everytime >>> someone leaves town. The bad stuff flows out like a sewer pipe. >>> >>> This is a fairly tight ship. I think it only loosens up when Larry & Co. >>> want it to loosen up. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> This seems a bit harsh. Why do you say that? Just because they didn't >>> want to comment on the article? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm beginning to feel some shame about this ownership. 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