So here's the question. Is the Globe:
1. A mouthpiece for the ownership...doing it's evil bidding? or 2. Doing its job? (As Tom said). Could it be both? On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]>wrote: > Could the fact that the Globe through the NYT owns part of the Red Sox have > had any role in the way the story was played? > > I share Tom's concern about this ownership. Every time someone leaves the > team, that person gets smeared. If I had to guess, it's mostly the dark arts > of Lucchino at work. Is he really that friggin' valuable to the operation > that he's kept around? > > -- Matt > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:47 PM > *Subject:* Re: Theo Replacement > > Well, I did say they weren't racists. > > Anyway, I look forward to Lucchino's blistering defense of Francona in > tomorrow's paper. Or perhaps he can address the question of why they'd let a > drug-addled person manage a major league ball club. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't know. I'm certainly not going to move towards Yawkee-esque shame > over this. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ray, > > The Globe agreed to ownership's interview terms: We'll tell you what we > want you to know provided you keep our names out of it. > > You can criticize the paper, I guess. But they're job is to get information > out there. If the price for that information is keeping out a "declined to > comment" sentence then so be it. Not too heavy a price. > > I mean, this happens in Washington all the time. Everything is on back > ground, not for attribution. > > -Tom > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Then how did that get past the self-respecting editor? > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > *Here's what bothers me most about the article. At no point does Hohler > tell us that Lucchino, Henry or Warner refused to comment. He doesn't even > mention the Trio except to describe the owner of the yacht.* > * > * > *He does cast a wide...* > * > * > *"This article is based on a series of interviews the Globe conducted with > individuals familiar with the Sox operation at all levels. Most requested > anonymity out of concern for their jobs or potential damage to their > relationships in the organization. Others refused to comment or did not > respond to interview requests."* > * > * > *But to not SPECIFICALLY state that he reached out to the ownership and > they declined to comment tells me one thing.* > * > * > *They did comment on the grounds that he not drag them into the story. And > he probably refused to insert "declined to comment" because they actually > had commented.* > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't get this. > > First you said that no self-respecting editor would publish an article > without at least being able to say that the ownership declined to comment. > But then when they did publish an article without reference to the > ownership commenting, you say the paper is doing it's job. > > So I'm confused now as to what you're saying. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > The problem is the paper printing the article? > > The paper is doing its job. > > I am assuming they are the sources or they authorized sources to speak on > their behalf. I can't believe that Hohler would have collected this from > minions and NOT called ownership for a comment. > > Assume he did, why wouldn't they go on the record saying something like: > "we're not going to make accusations of our former manager" and distance > themselves from the story? > > So are you assuming Hohler didn't call Henry/Lucchino for comment? I'd say > that's far less likely than Lucchino spreading stuff around. > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > How does the self-respecting editor let it pass without that? > > I mean, you're assuming that they are the sources, but the real problem is > the reporter and paper printing the piece as is. The owners may, or may > not, be the sources, but there is no way to tell for sure. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > And my point about the commenting is this. They DID comment, but they > didn't want the comments tied to them. > > Otherwise, no respectable editor would let this article pass without > telling the reporter, "This is some pretty damning stuff. Did you talk to > the owners? If so, can we at least put in here that John Henry or Lucchino > declined to comment." > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, I think they basically authorized the article. Happens everytime > someone leaves town. The bad stuff flows out like a sewer pipe. > > This is a fairly tight ship. I think it only loosens up when Larry & Co. > want it to loosen up. > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > This seems a bit harsh. Why do you say that? Just because they didn't > want to comment on the article? > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm beginning to feel some shame about this ownership. 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