Could the fact that the Globe through the NYT owns part of the Red Sox have had any role in the way the story was played?
I share Tom's concern about this ownership. Every time someone leaves the team, that person gets smeared. If I had to guess, it's mostly the dark arts of Lucchino at work. Is he really that friggin' valuable to the operation that he's kept around? -- Matt ________________________________ From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Theo Replacement Well, I did say they weren't racists. Anyway, I look forward to Lucchino's blistering defense of Francona in tomorrow's paper. Or perhaps he can address the question of why they'd let a drug-addled person manage a major league ball club. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: I don't know. I'm certainly not going to move towards Yawkee-esque shame over this. > > > >On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >Ray, >> >> >>The Globe agreed to ownership's interview terms: We'll tell you what we want >>you to know provided you keep our names out of it. >> >> >>You can criticize the paper, I guess. But they're job is to get information >>out there. If the price for that information is keeping out a "declined to >>comment" sentence then so be it. Not too heavy a price. >> >> >>I mean, this happens in Washington all the time. Everything is on back >>ground, not for attribution. >> >>-Tom >> >> >> >> >>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>Then how did that get past the self-respecting editor? >>> >>> >>> >>>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>Here's what bothers me most about the article. At no point does Hohler tell >>>us that Lucchino, Henry or Warner refused to comment. He doesn't even >>>mention the Trio except to describe the owner of the yacht. >>>> >>>> >>>>He does cast a wide... >>>> >>>> >>>>"This article is based on a series of interviews the Globe conducted with >>>>individuals familiar with the Sox operation at all levels. Most requested >>>>anonymity out of concern for their jobs or potential damage to their >>>>relationships in the organization. Others refused to comment or did not >>>>respond to interview requests." >>>> >>>> >>>>But to not SPECIFICALLY state that he reached out to the ownership and they >>>>declined to comment tells me one thing. >>>> >>>> >>>>They did comment on the grounds that he not drag them into the story. And >>>>he probably refused to insert "declined to comment" because they actually >>>>had commented. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>I don't get this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>First you said that no self-respecting editor would publish an article >>>>>without at least being able to say that the ownership declined to comment. >>>>> But then when they did publish an article without reference to the >>>>>ownership commenting, you say the paper is doing it's job. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>So I'm confused now as to what you're saying. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>The problem is the paper printing the article? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The paper is doing its job. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I am assuming they are the sources or they authorized sources to speak on >>>>>>their behalf. I can't believe that Hohler would have collected this from >>>>>>minions and NOT called ownership for a comment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Assume he did, why wouldn't they go on the record saying something like: >>>>>>"we're not going to make accusations of our former manager" and distance >>>>>>themselves from the story? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>So are you assuming Hohler didn't call Henry/Lucchino for comment? I'd >>>>>>say that's far less likely than Lucchino spreading stuff around. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>How does the self-respecting editor let it pass without that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I mean, you're assuming that they are the sources, but the real problem >>>>>>>is the reporter and paper printing the piece as is. The owners may, or >>>>>>>may not, be the sources, but there is no way to tell for sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And my point about the commenting is this. They DID comment, but they >>>>>>>didn't want the comments tied to them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Otherwise, no respectable editor would let this article pass without >>>>>>>>telling the reporter, "This is some pretty damning stuff. Did you talk >>>>>>>>to the owners? If so, can we at least put in here that John Henry or >>>>>>>>Lucchino declined to comment." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>No, I think they basically authorized the article. Happens everytime >>>>>>>>someone leaves town. The bad stuff flows out like a sewer pipe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>This is a fairly tight ship. I think it only loosens up when Larry & >>>>>>>>>Co. want it to loosen up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>This seems a bit harsh. Why do you say that? Just because they >>>>>>>>>didn't want to comment on the article? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I'm beginning to feel some shame about this ownership. No, they're >>>>>>>>>>>not racist rednecks like the Yawkey's but I'm not sure they're too >>>>>>>>>>>many rungs up the decency ladder. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>>>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>>>>For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Author of Confessions of a Good Mother: The story of an assassin and mom >>>>>>>who struggles with life balance issues. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>>>For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>>"Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>>For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>> >>>>>Author of Confessions of a Good Mother: The story of an assassin and mom >>>>>who struggles with life balance issues. >>>>> -- >>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>"Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>For more options, visit this group at >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>"Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>[email protected]. >>>>For more options, visit this group at >>>>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Author of Confessions of a Good Mother: The story of an assassin and mom who >>>struggles with life balance issues. >>>-- >>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>"Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>[email protected]. >>>For more options, visit this group at >>>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >> -- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>"Red Sox Citizens" group. >>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>[email protected]. >>For more options, visit this group at >>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > > >-- > >Author of Confessions of a Good Mother: The story of an assassin and mom who >struggles with life balance issues. >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red >Sox Citizens" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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