Well, I did say they weren't racists. Anyway, I look forward to Lucchino's blistering defense of Francona in tomorrow's paper. Or perhaps he can address the question of why they'd let a drug-addled person manage a major league ball club.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't know. I'm certainly not going to move towards Yawkee-esque shame > over this. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ray, >> >> The Globe agreed to ownership's interview terms: We'll tell you what we >> want you to know provided you keep our names out of it. >> >> You can criticize the paper, I guess. But they're job is to get >> information out there. If the price for that information is keeping out a >> "declined to comment" sentence then so be it. Not too heavy a price. >> >> I mean, this happens in Washington all the time. Everything is on back >> ground, not for attribution. >> >> -Tom >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Then how did that get past the self-respecting editor? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> *Here's what bothers me most about the article. At no point does Hohler >>>> tell us that Lucchino, Henry or Warner refused to comment. He doesn't even >>>> mention the Trio except to describe the owner of the yacht.* >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *He does cast a wide...* >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *"This article is based on a series of interviews the Globe conducted >>>> with individuals familiar with the Sox operation at all levels. Most >>>> requested anonymity out of concern for their jobs or potential damage to >>>> their relationships in the organization. Others refused to comment or did >>>> not respond to interview requests."* >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *But to not SPECIFICALLY state that he reached out to the ownership and >>>> they declined to comment tells me one thing.* >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *They did comment on the grounds that he not drag them into the story. >>>> And he probably refused to insert "declined to comment" because they >>>> actually had commented.* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't get this. >>>>> >>>>> First you said that no self-respecting editor would publish an article >>>>> without at least being able to say that the ownership declined to comment. >>>>> But then when they did publish an article without reference to the >>>>> ownership commenting, you say the paper is doing it's job. >>>>> >>>>> So I'm confused now as to what you're saying. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The problem is the paper printing the article? >>>>>> >>>>>> The paper is doing its job. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am assuming they are the sources or they authorized sources to speak >>>>>> on their behalf. I can't believe that Hohler would have collected this >>>>>> from >>>>>> minions and NOT called ownership for a comment. >>>>>> >>>>>> Assume he did, why wouldn't they go on the record saying something >>>>>> like: "we're not going to make accusations of our former manager" and >>>>>> distance themselves from the story? >>>>>> >>>>>> So are you assuming Hohler didn't call Henry/Lucchino for comment? I'd >>>>>> say that's far less likely than Lucchino spreading stuff around. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How does the self-respecting editor let it pass without that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I mean, you're assuming that they are the sources, but the real >>>>>>> problem is the reporter and paper printing the piece as is. The owners >>>>>>> may, >>>>>>> or may not, be the sources, but there is no way to tell for sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And my point about the commenting is this. They DID comment, but >>>>>>>> they didn't want the comments tied to them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Otherwise, no respectable editor would let this article pass without >>>>>>>> telling the reporter, "This is some pretty damning stuff. Did you talk >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> the owners? If so, can we at least put in here that John Henry or >>>>>>>> Lucchino >>>>>>>> declined to comment." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, I think they basically authorized the article. Happens >>>>>>>>> everytime someone leaves town. The bad stuff flows out like a sewer >>>>>>>>> pipe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is a fairly tight ship. I think it only loosens up when Larry >>>>>>>>> & Co. want it to loosen up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This seems a bit harsh. Why do you say that? Just because they >>>>>>>>>> didn't want to comment on the article? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Tom Salemi >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm beginning to feel some shame about this ownership. 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