I think that anyone could have brought up that "concern". On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, I did say they weren't racists. > > Anyway, I look forward to Lucchino's blistering defense of Francona in > tomorrow's paper. Or perhaps he can address the question of why they'd let a > drug-addled person manage a major league ball club. > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't know. I'm certainly not going to move towards Yawkee-esque shame >> over this. >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ray, >>> >>> The Globe agreed to ownership's interview terms: We'll tell you what we >>> want you to know provided you keep our names out of it. >>> >>> You can criticize the paper, I guess. But they're job is to get >>> information out there. If the price for that information is keeping out a >>> "declined to comment" sentence then so be it. Not too heavy a price. >>> >>> I mean, this happens in Washington all the time. Everything is on back >>> ground, not for attribution. >>> >>> -Tom >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Then how did that get past the self-respecting editor? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> *Here's what bothers me most about the article. At no point does >>>>> Hohler tell us that Lucchino, Henry or Warner refused to comment. He >>>>> doesn't >>>>> even mention the Trio except to describe the owner of the yacht.* >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *He does cast a wide...* >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *"This article is based on a series of interviews the Globe conducted >>>>> with individuals familiar with the Sox operation at all levels. Most >>>>> requested anonymity out of concern for their jobs or potential damage to >>>>> their relationships in the organization. Others refused to comment or did >>>>> not respond to interview requests."* >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *But to not SPECIFICALLY state that he reached out to the ownership >>>>> and they declined to comment tells me one thing.* >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *They did comment on the grounds that he not drag them into the story. >>>>> And he probably refused to insert "declined to comment" because they >>>>> actually had commented.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't get this. >>>>>> >>>>>> First you said that no self-respecting editor would publish an article >>>>>> without at least being able to say that the ownership declined to >>>>>> comment. >>>>>> But then when they did publish an article without reference to the >>>>>> ownership commenting, you say the paper is doing it's job. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I'm confused now as to what you're saying. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem is the paper printing the article? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The paper is doing its job. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am assuming they are the sources or they authorized sources to >>>>>>> speak on their behalf. I can't believe that Hohler would have collected >>>>>>> this from minions and NOT called ownership for a comment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Assume he did, why wouldn't they go on the record saying something >>>>>>> like: "we're not going to make accusations of our former manager" and >>>>>>> distance themselves from the story? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So are you assuming Hohler didn't call Henry/Lucchino for comment? >>>>>>> I'd say that's far less likely than Lucchino spreading stuff around. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How does the self-respecting editor let it pass without that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I mean, you're assuming that they are the sources, but the real >>>>>>>> problem is the reporter and paper printing the piece as is. The >>>>>>>> owners may, >>>>>>>> or may not, be the sources, but there is no way to tell for sure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And my point about the commenting is this. They DID comment, but >>>>>>>>> they didn't want the comments tied to them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Otherwise, no respectable editor would let this article pass >>>>>>>>> without telling the reporter, "This is some pretty damning stuff. Did >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> talk to the owners? If so, can we at least put in here that John >>>>>>>>> Henry or >>>>>>>>> Lucchino declined to comment." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Tom Salemi >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, I think they basically authorized the article. Happens >>>>>>>>>> everytime someone leaves town. The bad stuff flows out like a sewer >>>>>>>>>> pipe. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is a fairly tight ship. I think it only loosens up when Larry >>>>>>>>>> & Co. want it to loosen up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ray Salemi >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This seems a bit harsh. Why do you say that? Just because they >>>>>>>>>>> didn't want to comment on the article? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm beginning to feel some shame about this ownership. 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