Public schools should also be held to the same standard as any private 
institution and it should be child-protective

Marci

On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:04 AM, "Douglas Laycock" <dlayc...@virginia.edu> wrote:

> It is not just other constitutional interests that limit liability for harm 
> to children. It is also other public policies.
>  
> For example, in Missouri, where Gibson v. Brewer limits the church’s 
> liability to cases where they knew about abuse and failed to act, public 
> schools have no state-law liability at all in sex abuse cases. See Mo. Stat. 
> §537.600; Letlow v. Evans, 857 F. Supp. 676 (W.D. Mo. 1994); Doe v. Special 
> School District, 637 F. Supp. 1138 (E.D. Mo. 1986). And they would have no 
> federal liability unless an official with authority to act had “actual 
> knowledge” and made “an official decision” not to do anything. Gebser v. Lago 
> Vista Independent School District, 524 U.S. 274, 290 (1998).
>  
> The should-have-known liability now imposed on churches in many states, and 
> the should-have-known-there-was-an-elevated-risk liability that is often 
> alleged and sometimes imposed, goes far beyond the liability rules applicable 
> to most public schools.
>  
> Douglas Laycock
> Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law
> University of Virginia Law School
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>  
> From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
> [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Graber, Mark
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 9:46 AM
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Subject: RE: Religious exemptions in ND
>  
> May I suggest this is too strong.  A great many constitutional rights 
> increase to some degree the possibility that child abuse will occur, not be 
> detected and not be adequately punished.  Consider in this respect the Fourth 
> and Fifth Amendments, at least as presently interpreted (and I suspect most 
> of us would not agree with an interpretive rule that said government does not 
> violate the Fourth and Fifth Amendment whenever doing so might increase to 
> any degree the possibility that a crime will not be committed, not be 
> detected, and not be punished.  So we might assume that a) protections for 
> religious freedom will have some negative consequences, including some severe 
> negative consequences but b) that this is true for pretty much all 
> constitutional rights.
>  
> So the issue is how much do we risk because we value religious freedom 
> (remembering that a strategy of risk nothing will have other severe bad 
> consequences.
>  
> In this vein, may I suggest that the present alternatives are not helpful.  
> SMITH seems to suggest a rational basis test that would allow government to 
> severely burden religious practice whenever doing so has any appreciable 
> tendency to prevent, detect, or punish crime.  Many RFRAs suggest a 
> compelling interest test that probably puts too high a burden on government 
> to do a variety of acts (not just in the area of criminal justice—so even if 
> you think, as I do, that preventing child abuse is obviously a compelling 
> government interest, you might still think the compelling interest standard 
> too strong in other cases).
>  
> Strikes me that one thing we might discuss is what that in-between standard 
> looks like.
>  
> Mark A. Graber
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