I share Sandy's skepticism about the "play in the joints" locution, but I wonder why equal treatment doesn't make sense as a maximalist theory?
Consider Sandy's auditoria hypothetical. It's hard to infer much based on it, I think, because it's hard to imagine the government actually building auditoria for private organizations. But let's consider two more plausible versions: 1. The government builds a city auditorium, not for its own speech but to enable private organizations to speak. Churches would indeed have a First Amendment right to equal access to such an auditorium. See Rosenberger v. Rector. 2. The government offers property tax exemptions for a wide range of nonprofits, and makes contributions to such nonprofits tax-deductible. Thus, if a nonprofit is building an auditorium, it in effect gets a massive matching-grant subsidy from the government. There's nothing nonsensical, it seems to me, about churches being entitled to use this subsidy for building their churches. Indeed, they get such a subsidy now, and it's seen as constitutional. See Walz. And I think that, if some government decided to exclude churches from such subsidies (while making them available to a vast range of comparable nonprofits), that would indeed violate the Free Exercise Clause. Now one can argue that, as a matter of history, police, or what have you, the Free Exercise Clause should not be read as mandating equal treatment for religious observers in general, as to funding, as to some kinds of funding, or what have you. But I just don't see why the equal access rule wouldn't "make[] sense." Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Levinson, Sanford V Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:58 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: The Establishment Clause question in the Trinity Lutheran case Shouldn't we admit that "play in the joints" is simply a euphemism for judicial balancing between the competing notions of no establishment, on the one hand, and free exercise+equality on the other. Neither makes sense as maximalist theory. The former would prohibit police protection, the latter would require the state to build churches if it auditoria for the people to use as gathering places to discuss important issues. So we rely on Rehnquist's and his successors' hunches as to where one should draw the line. We delude ourselves in believing that legal doctrine can work itself pure in this--or, for that matter, any other significant--area. "The life of the law is experience, not logic." The problem is that it is awkward for well-paid law professors to teach their students that law often comes down to the idiosyncratic views of the median justices and that it is basically foolish to believe there are true doctrinal rationales that can predict future decisions. Sandy Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Steven Jamar <stevenja...@gmail.com<mailto:stevenja...@gmail.com>> wrote: It seems to me that the play-in-the-joints theory and providing accommodations between exercise and establishment shoiuld win out in this instance thereby upholding the Missouri Constitutional ban on direct and indirect financial support for religious organizations. A ruling that pushes the neutrality principle this far as to prohibit states from making these sorts of choices and judgments seems likely to further make a hash of the problem rather than simplifying or clarifying things. A rule that allows for such subsidy of religion by the state while allowing states not to so subsidize religions in these ways seems to be what the voucher cases seem to indicate as the direction the law is going. But as for me, all bets are off on this one as to result and as to theories selected from the grab-bag the court has created over the decades. Steve -- Prof. Steven D. Jamar Howard University School of Law vox: 202-806-8017 fax: 202-806-8567 http://sdjlaw.org "The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why." Mark Twain _______________________________________________ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
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