On 27 January 2011 20:08, Marnen Laibow-Koser <li...@ruby-forum.com> wrote: > Michael Pavling wrote in post #977960: >> I *can* code without a debugger integrated (or indeed, at all) - but I >> don't want to. > > If you were my client, and you responded "because I want it" when I > asked why a feature was of value to you, you wouldn't get the feature.
Now *that's* customer service! :-) (but poor economics [1]) > I try to discourage bad choices. Using an IDE for > Rails is IMHO a bad choice. I think you need to reconsider the difference between "discourage" and "deny"... denying your customers features you don't like is not the same as discouraging them. > So...have you used RDB at the command line? What do you not like about > it? Yes I have; before I started using Netbeans.... and you call IDEs "clunky"! :-) > I was actually a little surprised when I started working > with Rails to find that IDEs provided no benefit -- but that *is* the > case. You often say a variation on this statement, and I never really understand what you mean: how can an IDE not "suit" Rails? It would help me if instead of saying "Don't use IDEs or you're all cripples", you explained how you work front-to-end to highlight how features of IDEs [2] don't give you any productivity benefit, while using an IDE would hamper you. [1] http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wants+vs+needs http://www.businessknowhow.com/marketing/wants.htm [2] For me it's the debugger and source control integration that boost my productivity (even while having to wait for the rest of the bloated app to limp along with me :-) They're pretty much the only things I want [3] in addition to the syntax highlighting that every beefy text editor offers. [3] "want" again, not "need". I want a black car over a pink one, I don't *need* a black car ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
