Dear Jace,
  Not really.  I know I have told this story in the past.  When we got the 
general arrangement drawings of our F3s (maybe 15 or so years ago), the first 
thing that jumped out was that the units were way to far apart.  I told our 
project manager in Hong Kong, that these needed to be a scale distance apart.  
That is when we learned that the KD802 coupler box would interfere with the 
trucks.  As we looked further into this, we discovered that is a problem in HO 
and the solution is the KD30 (I think I got this number correct) coupler and 
coupler box that allows for closer coupling.  I knew Larry Edwards, then owner 
of Kadee.  I called and begged him to make us this coupler using the KD802 
coupler with a expanded KD30 coupler box that was cored to the KD802 coupler 
box screw spacing.  I told him we would order 3,000 to start and would need 
more for the F7s.  Also that these couplers could be used for the AM FP7s.  
Larry said that he was not interested in another S scale coupler.  I told him 
is he did not, we would be forced to make them and I was not interested in 
competing with KD for the S Scale coupler market, my argument fell on deaf 
ears.  So, we designed and produced this coupler for our F3s.  When the final 
drawings were being prepared for the ore car is when the 01295 was conceived as 
the same problems of the KD802 coupler box hitting the truck of the ore car.  
We learned a lot with our F3 coupler, we had them seal the coupler box so that 
it would not fall apart when the screws were taken out.  We had the shot in 
rust color plastic and blistered them in 2 pair packages.  Our open top hoppers 
and square hatch steam era covered hopper's bolster was designed to accept 
these couplers with no spacer.  If we produce another freight car, they would 
be designed to use these.
Don
PS  Someone mentioned the extra screws now includes with KD802/808 couplers.  
We lobbied Larry for 5 years for this change as the long screws would either 
pop the internal weight of the PS2 covered hoppers of core the holes once the 
end of the screw touched the steel weight.  At that time we were selling tons 
of the KD802s every year...


Jace wrote:

> 
> Perhaps Don Thompson will weigh in with the definitive answer, but my 
> recollection is that
> the SHS couplers were specifically designed for the ore cars. 
> 

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