William Understand, there are also consequences to not having some sort of > successful code of conduct. These include: > > 1. Continuing to lose talented Sage developers specifically because > they do not feel comfortable with the tone of the lists, and >
Can you give an example of this, even if vaguely? I don't read every conversation on the lists, but in my personal experience, the community has been very supportive, even when I'm an idiot. (Sometimes you have been supportive *especially* when I'm an idiot.) I do see a lot of rough-and-tumble when there are disagreements on some things, but I thought they were expressed civilly, for the most part. I concede that I know of two reasons why some people grow discouraged developing with Sage, but neither seems a consequence of the tone of the lists. (1) When switching development to Git, it became harder for the less talented to contribute. I'm not the only one who encountered a complete recompilation of Sage when reviewing a new ticket -- even one that didn't touch Cython. See, e.g., some of my comments on ticket #17298, where at one point I wrote, "I can't afford to tie up my installation for 2 hours of compilation every time a few lines of Python code change." This used not to occur in Mercurial. That certainly discourages me, in part because I'm not talented. Admittedly, I wasn't contributing much to start with ;-) though I did have a pretty good series of tickets w/Nathann last year. (Thanks, Nathann!) (2) A speaker at one conference mentioned the pickiness (IIRC) of a *major* Sage developer as discouraging development, and a particular subsystem of great interest to that speaker was languishing as a result. I might have misunderstood #2; perhaps the speaker meant in fact the tone that developer took, but I don't think so. Even if it was the tone, that returns to the question I raised before: if a major developer is a problem, would the powers that be exclude the person's patches? Especially as the tone people take in some conversations can be very culturally based. john perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
