On 11/18/14 7:55 AM, Harald Schilly wrote:
> 
> On Monday, November 17, 2014 3:26:18 PM UTC+1, kcrisman wrote:
> 
>     What if instead of a "code of conduct" there was a "community 
> expectations" SHORT document that just say what we expect? 
> 
> 
> I'm a little bit late to this thread, but I've read all the mails. This 
> "expectations" document sounds interesting to me, whereas I'm a bit hesitant 
> to this "code of conduct" thing. In my eyes, it is
> stating a lot of obvious things, and doesn't solve immediate problems. I 
> agree that it could be abused in some way, just because it exists and hence 
> it is a leverage point. e.g. phrases like "poor
> behavior" are a bit hollow for me. (*)

Saying that discussions that get out of hand can be relegated to sage-flame is, 
I think, important.
For example, I did not know that we could do that until very recently. Stating 
explicitly how this can
be done might be good.

> We should not forget, that most of us here (as mathematicians & researchers 
> in general) are trained to be (a) very picky and (b) long-term persistent. 
> Those ingredients do not help if a discussion
> derails into lengthy substitution-arguments to just make a point in a 
> time-consuming thread. What would actually help in such situations is to step 
> back and look at the bigger picture. Maybe there
> should be an intervention team of "senior" community people to sort this out: 
> e.g. just posting "DRAMA MODE" as a signal for everyone to stop it? But who 
> are those and how do they gain authority?

One problem with this is that the intervention team might not be reading all 
threads.
So having a way to say where there is a problem might still be useful.
I agree deciding who the intervention team is is an important question. 
Probably William
would be a good choice.

Best,

Anne

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