On 2015-02-19, Michael Orlitzky <mich...@orlitzky.com> wrote:
> On 02/19/2015 09:21 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think software was ever delayed for debian.
>> If people are against #16997 because it's not compatible with Debian, 
>> then Debian is *already* slowing down Sage.
>> 
>
> It's not incompatibility with Debian that's the problem. Having
> dependencies like "whatever was in the git repo at 11:00 on 2015-02-19
> UTC-5" leads to madness. Debian won't do it, because it leads to
> madness. So doing things that lead to madness are incompatible with
> Debian. The cause and effect are the other way around =)

Yes, but Debian (stable) is often rather hopelessly behind in supporting many
things, in particular new hardware and new tools like newer gcc.

>
> Bundling the git repo is a short-term solution that bones everyone else
> (and possibly us, too, if upstream starts reverting commits). A better
> solution would be to work with them, settle on a set of commits that are
> definitely going to stay, and make a release. Yes, it's more work *right
> now*, but most good ideas are.

how about making a clone of their git repo and referring to a commit
in that clone?
This would at least be stable. Basing something on timing rather than
on a verifiable repo commit is indeed not good.

By the way, that was one of main reasons for me to propose, some time ago,
to distribute 3-rd party stuff not as tarballs, but as git submodules.


Dima

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