On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 8:14:02 AM UTC, John Cremona wrote: > > On 11 October 2016 at 01:03, Victor Shoup <sh...@cs.nyu.edu <javascript:>> > wrote: > > First, you are definitely wrong about punch cards. I started programming > > with Fortran on punch cards in the 70s. > > Punch cards? They were a great advance on paper tape which is what > *I* started on. To correct a typo in your program you had to read > the whole tape in, make the correction, and punch out a whole new > tape! Cards were so much easier as you could just replace one card. >
sure, I had this at some point (1981?) too; the OS was booted from a big roll of plastic tape, and files and stuff were on paper tape... I don't recall whether it was Basic or Fortran one had to program it with... > That was 1970 I think.... > > > > > Second, a complete transition to auto tools still feels like overkill at > > this point. > > But I agree that it could come one day. > > With a lot of help (from people on this thread and for the same > reasons) I went through that agony with eclib. I don't regret it but > I would not want to do it again! > I've done this for a couple of Sage packages (admittedly, smaller and simpler than NTL)... > > John > > > In any case, I am almost done with all the requested changes. > > I will follow up with a couple of quick questions, though. > > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 5:09:48 PM UTC-4, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 9:09:38 PM UTC+1, François wrote: > >>> > >>> On 11/10/16 01:58, Victor Shoup wrote: > >>> > Another issue. I'm not sure if $(MAKE) is specific to gnu make or if > it > >>> > is universal. > >>> > In general, I don't want to assume gnu. But I can certainly make > this > >>> > the default, > >>> > and provide a config variable to override. > >>> > >>> I'll have another go at this when you use > >>> $(MAKE) inside a makefile you are making sure > >>> that the make command used is the same one that > >>> you called on the initial makefile. > >>> > >>> As other people mentioned it enable parallel make > >>> to proceed nicely, and in the case where there is > >>> several make command installed on the system > >>> you avoid funny things happening. I have AIX > >>> system which comes with its own posix make > >>> command. Something like ntl probably require > >>> gmake (GNU make), calling AIX make in the > >>> middle is not a good idea. > >>> > >> > >> Perhaps the most natural solution would be to change NTL build system > so > >> that > >> it uses the standard autotools chain (autoconf/automake etc), not only > >> libtool. > >> Given that it uses very few external libraries, it ought to be an easy > >> task. > >> > >> Given that I am perhaps the only person in this thread who learned to > >> program using punch cards, > >> I am a dinosaur from an earlier period, yet, I look into the future :-) > >> > >> Dima > >> > >> > >> > >>> Francois > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "sage-devel" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > > To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
