On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 8:14:02 AM UTC, John Cremona wrote: >> >> On 11 October 2016 at 01:03, Victor Shoup <sh...@cs.nyu.edu> wrote: >> > First, you are definitely wrong about punch cards. I started programming >> > with Fortran on punch cards in the 70s. >> >> Punch cards? They were a great advance on paper tape which is what >> *I* started on. To correct a typo in your program you had to read >> the whole tape in, make the correction, and punch out a whole new >> tape! Cards were so much easier as you could just replace one card. > > > sure, I had this at some point (1981?) too; the OS was booted from a big > roll of plastic tape, and files and stuff > were on paper tape... I don't recall whether it was Basic or Fortran one had > to program it with...
You guys were so lucky to have an actual computer! I spent my first year or two programming in the 70s by using a book I found in the garbage combined with a computer-looking thing I built out of cardboard, and simulating everything on paper or in my head. Uphill both ways, in the snow. > >> >> That was 1970 I think.... >> >> > >> > Second, a complete transition to auto tools still feels like overkill at >> > this point. >> > But I agree that it could come one day. >> >> With a lot of help (from people on this thread and for the same >> reasons) I went through that agony with eclib. I don't regret it but >> I would not want to do it again! > > > I've done this for a couple of Sage packages (admittedly, smaller and > simpler than NTL)... > >> >> >> John >> >> > In any case, I am almost done with all the requested changes. >> > I will follow up with a couple of quick questions, though. >> > >> > >> > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 5:09:48 PM UTC-4, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 9:09:38 PM UTC+1, François wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On 11/10/16 01:58, Victor Shoup wrote: >> >>> > Another issue. I'm not sure if $(MAKE) is specific to gnu make or if >> >>> > it >> >>> > is universal. >> >>> > In general, I don't want to assume gnu. But I can certainly make >> >>> > this >> >>> > the default, >> >>> > and provide a config variable to override. >> >>> >> >>> I'll have another go at this when you use >> >>> $(MAKE) inside a makefile you are making sure >> >>> that the make command used is the same one that >> >>> you called on the initial makefile. >> >>> >> >>> As other people mentioned it enable parallel make >> >>> to proceed nicely, and in the case where there is >> >>> several make command installed on the system >> >>> you avoid funny things happening. I have AIX >> >>> system which comes with its own posix make >> >>> command. Something like ntl probably require >> >>> gmake (GNU make), calling AIX make in the >> >>> middle is not a good idea. >> >>> >> >> >> >> Perhaps the most natural solution would be to change NTL build system >> >> so >> >> that >> >> it uses the standard autotools chain (autoconf/automake etc), not only >> >> libtool. >> >> Given that it uses very few external libraries, it ought to be an easy >> >> task. >> >> >> >> Given that I am perhaps the only person in this thread who learned to >> >> program using punch cards, >> >> I am a dinosaur from an earlier period, yet, I look into the future :-) >> >> >> >> Dima >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Francois >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "sage-devel" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> > an >> > email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
