On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:00 PM Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:40 PM William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 7:20 AM, Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think joining NumFocus is a good idea. > > > > +1 and it doesn't preclude people/companies still donating to > > something at UW if they want to... > > there are formal things needed here: (cf. > https://numfocus.org/information-fiscal-sponsorship) > > What are the requirements to become a Fiscally Sponsored Project of NumFOCUS? > > A Fiscally Sponsored Project must further the NumFOCUS mission and: > > 1) Release its code under an OSI approved open source license > (exceptions must be approved by the NumFOCUS Board of Directors) > 2) Have a Code of Conduct, either adopted from our own or similar in spirit. > 3) Have a community that is active and of reasonable size > 4) Have multiple people willing to sign the Fiscal Sponsorship > Agreement (5 signatories for a comprehensive FSA; 3 signatories for a > grantor-grantee FSA). Those people must be active in the project; one > person may be an external stakeholder instead of a project > contributor. > 5) Have a leadership body or team consisting of at least 3 people; > these people should not be employed by the same entity or share a > common affiliation beyond that of the project. > > 1, 3, 4 is there or very easy to set up. 5 should not be too hard either. > Perhaps the most tricky is 2 (or perhaps not anymore, after out > infamous CoC discussion fiasco we could agree it makes sense to get > something in place; we can have a look at > https://numfocus.org/code-of-conduct > and see if we can just agree to this)
5) also might be harder than you think--or at least, even if we can come up with an uncontroversial list of names, it's a discussion that invites questions about project governance. It might be interesting to follow the recent discussions about Python governance with the BDFL stepping down. > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, 15:07 Erik Bray, <erik.m.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:35 PM William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:12 AM, kcrisman <kcris...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 1:18:50 AM UTC-4, rjf wrote: > > >> > >> > > >> > >> I assume that other research universities work about the same as at > > >> > >> UC > > >> > >> Berkeley. Anyone can donate money to a professor's research > > >> > >> activities > > >> > >> with a designation something like "to support Prof X's research in > > >> > >> the > > >> > >> area of ABC". It is monitored by the university, but such "various > > >> > >> donors" > > >> > >> funds are typically more flexible than (say) money from a federal > > >> > >> contract, where budget categories like "hardware" and "travel" may > > >> > >> be more rigidly defined. Perhaps the concept here is mostly an > > >> > >> alternative name for > > >> > >> "The various donors fund of Prof William Stein, for research in some > > >> > >> field > > >> > >> of mutual interest" > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > > > > >> > > As far as I can tell things have always been used specifically for > > >> > > Sage-specific activities. Now that CoCalc is essentially doing the > > >> > > Sage > > >> > > booth, perhaps it would not be appropriate to use Sage Foundation > > >> > > funds to > > >> > > fund that booth, but in the past that was a very appropriate use (if > > >> > > I > > >> > > understand the nature of the current booth correctly, which I may > > >> > > not). > > >> > > > >> > The booth tends to be about three things: > > >> > > > >> > - Sage > > >> > - CoCalc > > >> > - the Univ of Washington math grad program > > >> > > > >> > See attached picture from the last booth, which has the CoCalc and Sage > > >> > banners. > > >> > People come by and often talk with us about Sage, get Sage stickers, > > >> > etc. > > >> > Prospective grad students often start asking me about UW. > > >> > Of course people also talk with us about CoCalc too. > > >> > > > >> > Nobody is paid from Sage Foundation money to be at the booth -- Sage > > >> > foundation > > >> > just pays for some travel expenses and the booth rental. If you > > >> > genuinely think it would be > > >> > better for Sage for us to not have the booth at all, let me know, and > > >> > I'll consider > > >> > cancelling it, since it's a lot of work to travel and be exhausted day > > >> > after day by > > >> > questions... > > >> > > > >> > > For reference to newcomers, in the past there was discussion of > > >> > > setting up a > > >> > > "proper" Sage Foundation under US (or other) nonprofit law but > > >> > > William > > >> > > ... > > >> > > > >> > More specifically, two years ago, I talked with a competent lawyer who > > >> > advised me that setting up a not-for-profit for a software project > > >> > is a complete nonstarter with the IRS these days. That wasn't the > > >> > case in the past, > > >> > but it was in 2016. I'm personally not going to pursue this further. > > >> > If somebody > > >> > else wants to, the community will I hope be supportive of their effort. > > >> > > >> I would suggest, rather, seeing about applying for Sage to join the > > >> NumFocus organization: https://numfocus.org/ > > >> > > >> That always seemed the obvious thing to me, but maybe I'm missing > > >> something. However, once I did learn that the Sage Foundation is a > > >> thing that exists, it seemed at least less necessary since we were > > >> already getting that kind of support from UW. But if we ever lose > > >> that, that would seem the way to go. And I believe there has been an > > >> effort started recently to establish a NumFocus organization in Europe > > >> as well, IIRC. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > >> "sage-devel" group. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > >> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > >> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > > >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "sage-devel" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > > > -- > > William (http://wstein.org) > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "sage-devel" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. 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