(standing ovation) On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Weighing in as a chick who HAS been date raped and assaulted in the past, > which unfortunately gives me Clue +2... > > It would depend on how the movie does it. Is it a realistic scenario? > Unfortunately yes. Get a tough girl and the first thing a guy's going to do > if he captures her is precisely that, because it's a matter of power and > asserting said power. Is it ugly? Is it violence against women? Yes. But > it's a reflection of our culture. > > One can argue what's the reflection of our culture versus our culture being > influenced by movies like this but once again...depends on how it's done. If > it glorifies it and makes her oh-so-sexy while it's going on...then I have > VERY serious problems with it. Otherwise you're looking at a realistic > portrayal of the sort of circumstances an actual woman would face under such > conditions. > > There ya go, my $0.02 worth. > > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Keith Johnson > <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote: > >> >> >> Again, not disputing it's an issue, I just think that in context of this >> film--spies, espionage, rogue states--the torture/beating makes sense. I can >> see it having been done to a man in this context. Indeed, isn't Salt based >> on a character that was originally envisioned as a man? I wonder if the >> torture scene was there for his incarnation. I'd argue in this case they may >> even have toned down the torture since it was a woman, as with a man they'd >> have shown the actually beating and torture in more graphic detail. >> >> This may be the exception that proves the rule. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kelwyn" <ravena...@yahoo.com> >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:51:59 AM >> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Salt in your eye >> >> >> >> I knew somebody was going to play the Pierce Brosnan card. The difference >> is that, particularly in the Bond films, this is an anomaly - usually the >> Bond torture comes at the end of the film (see "Casino Royale") not the >> beginning. >> >> One would be hand-pressed to name a female actioner where this doesn't >> begin this way. And, if you can name one it probably underperformed at the >> box office. Angelina Jolie's first Tomb Raider movie is a notable exception. >> >> ~rave! >> >> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com>, Keith >> Johnson <keithbjohn...@...> wrote: >> > >> > I'm not arguing that trend, but I am arguing that in this case it may >> have been justified and appropriate for the film. The point was she was >> captured by an enemy government. I liken it to the last Bond flick with >> Pierce Brosnan, who was similarly tortured by the North Koreans. Wasn't he >> also stripped down to his skivvies? In this case maybe it was simply tell a >> good believable story, and not an intent to titillate the audience? >> > Of course, I don't find the anorexic-looking Jolie sexy anyway, so any >> intended titillation would go over my head, even if seeing a woman bound was >> a thing that turned me on (and it's not). >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Kelwyn" <ravena...@...> >> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:28:00 AM >> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Salt in your eye >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > It is not the severity of the abuse I am commenting on. It is the >> necessity of the abuse before we, the viewers, can accept Salt as a kick-ass >> avenger. This is not de rigueur in male action films where the impetus is >> usually a woman (wife, daughter, girlfriend) who has been killed, kidnapped >> and/or raped. In female action films, it is the heroine herself who must be >> (nearly) killed, kidnapped and/or raped. >> > >> > ~(no)rave! >> > >> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> , >> Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> wrote: >> > > >> > > It's not bad. They don't show any real abuse, just the image of her >> after having been abused. >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Martin Baxter" <martinbaxter7@> >> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 6:39:47 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Salt in your eye >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Ah... remind me to be getting popcorn during that part of the >> festivities. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Kelwyn < ravenadal@ > wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Although Salt did not dislodge Inception from the top of the box >> office, it did take in $36 mil at the weekend box office. >> > > >> > > Part of its success is that it adhered to the formula for a successful >> kick-ass female action movie: >> > > >> > > Salt opens with Angelina Jolie stripped to her skivvies, bloodied and >> beaten, under the extremes of torture - the usual fetishistic fantasy. >> > > >> > > ~(no)rave! >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody >> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >> > > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
