(313) dub-techno live broadcast

[zergonion .]

hi!

if anyone's interrested, i'm djing tomorow (thursday) at noon (12pm) CET on
our local student radio, dub-techno selection... www.radiostudent.si
 (press play on upper left corner)

cheers,

Z

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(313) Dub - was Re: (313) Ghost of 313's past...

[fab.]

may i also suggest the releases on Tuning Spork's sister label Futuredub. 
Very deep, very dubby, a little tech-y

Unfortunately also hard to find.

fab.

- Original Message - 
From: "Lance @ Inaudible" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: (313) Ghost of 313's past...



>On Sep 13, 2005, at 12:29 AM, Lance @ Inaudible wrote:



Hello all,
Haven't been here in over 5 years but the other day DJ Horsepower + his 
lovely wife hunted me down at my office in cleveland and reminded me of 
the musical friends from the golden age


Awww shi*, ol'skool 313 list in the haus.  Welcome back soldier.
Great to see the names dropped, even if we have lost a few comrades.


Thanks friend. happy to be back. maybe we can encourage some of the others 
to return as well.


Dub is always a nice education, but the influence seems to have faded in 
recent years.


Dub is still out there. Check the new Deadbeat release on Scape, any of 
the Deepchord/Rod Modell stuffs on Silentes/Deepchord/Echocord, and all 
the other Echocord releases (especially those my Mikkel Metal). Visit 
these links for more infos...


http://www.techno.ca/deadbeat/
http://www.dctrax.com/
http://www.scape-music.de/
http://www.echocord.com/
http://www.mikkelmetal.dk/

if you want some legal feebie techno/ambient/dub from established artists, 
check out the Flow.ers compilation on the Sutemos netlabel. it features 
tracks from yagya, rod modell, octex, exos, and ozy to name just a few. 
nice stuff and well worth the price of admission - which is none.  : )

http://www.sutemos.net/en/

Finally, one last thing about dub. Not necessarily for this list but... 
Those interested in classic dub/reggae who havent yet started purchasing 
any may want to check out the excellent UK Blood and Fire dub/reggae 
reissue label. They has re-released-compiled the best of the best by King 
Tubby, Horace Andy, Scientist, The Congos, Lee Perry, Prince Alla, Burning 
Spear, Jah Stitch, Keith Hudson, Tappa Zukie, Glen Brown, I-Roy, Cornell 
Campbell, Johnny Clarke, Big Youth, Gregory Isaacs, Max Romeo, Yabby You, 
Trinity, Dennis Brown, Jackie Mittoo, Ranking Joe, Junior Ross,  Linval 
Thompson, Willi Williams, and Niney the Observer to name just a few. If 
you need specific recommendations i would be happy help but the real 
reason i mention Blood and Fire right now is because they have just marked 
down most of their catalog to 50% their original prices. Visit 
http://www.bloodandfire.co.uk for more information and sound samples.




And what's happening in Ohio?  The MI-OH corridor was once strong.
Can it be rebuilt?


yes ohio was once home to some excellent musicians - dan curtin, morgan 
geist, jeff samuel, hanna, titonton, twine, todd sines, steve cinch, 
metamorphic, the 21/22 corp/elemental collective, etc... but many of those 
musicians have left for more musically fertile locations. i've been out of 
the techno loop for a few years so i dont know if there has been an ohio 
'second wave' or not but i'm sure there are a few up-and-coming producers 
in ohio somewhere. we'll see if we can get them noticed when we find them!



--

-->-Lance
6099 Creekside Lane
North Ridgeville, OH 44039
United States

Re: (313) dub/ska/reggae mix

[Greg Earle]

On Sep 15, 2004, at 3:02 PM, "Scotto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

dub/ska/reggae mix
091004
1 hour
69.5 mb


Not to continue the O/T, but how topical - I just came back from
seeing the newly-reunited Tack>>head.  14 years apart and you'd swear
it hadn't been a day.  They were tighter than a preacher's
bungholio walking through the Castro.  Doug Wimbish did a bass solo at
the high-note end of the spectrum that rivaled most guitarists I've
ever heard since Hendrix.  Amazing stuff.  And Keith LeBlanc had a
laptop for additional percussion, so I think that should qualify
them for Derrick getting them to play at Movement next year :-)

And they played "The Message"[EMAIL PROTECTED]@$@@#!!!   OMFG ... I can't
believe I heard that live.  (Doug Wimbish did his best Grandmaster
Flash imitation.)

- Greg

FWD: (313) dub/ska/reggae mix

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

-- Original Message --
From: "Scotto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:  Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:02:08 -0400

dub/ska/reggae mix
091004
1 hour
69.5 mb

black street fighter (intro)
banana walk - dub specialist (coxsone)
granny scratch - sound dimension
woman of the ghetto - phyillis dillion
cool out son - jr. marvin
Jordan river - burning spear
Dreader mafia - snuffy and wally
Running dub - coxsone
Chapter one - joe gibs
Spawning - coxsone
Doctor seaton in the echo chamber - ruple edwards' all stars
Buck Rodgers in the black hole - roots relics
Africa dub - lee perry
Since I dub - aggroustors
Cuss cuss - llyod robinson
"baby" - heptones
real hot - lennie Hilbert
tunnel one - tommy mccook
green mangos - tommy mccook
I trim the barber - king tubby

http://www.plaztikjezuz.com/scotto-dub.mp3

enjoy
scotto

ps. i know its not detroit techno, but i thought, people would 
enjoy it.

-live on coxsone

 


andythepooh.com


 
   

(313) dub/ska/reggae mix

[Scotto]

dub/ska/reggae mix
091004
1 hour
69.5 mb

black street fighter (intro)
banana walk - dub specialist (coxsone)
granny scratch - sound dimension
woman of the ghetto - phyillis dillion
cool out son - jr. marvin
Jordan river - burning spear
Dreader mafia - snuffy and wally
Running dub - coxsone
Chapter one - joe gibs
Spawning - coxsone
Doctor seaton in the echo chamber - ruple edwards' all stars
Buck Rodgers in the black hole - roots relics
Africa dub - lee perry
Since I dub - aggroustors
Cuss cuss - llyod robinson
"baby" - heptones
real hot - lennie Hilbert
tunnel one - tommy mccook
green mangos - tommy mccook
I trim the barber - king tubby

http://www.plaztikjezuz.com/scotto-dub.mp3

enjoy
scotto

ps. i know its not detroit techno, but i thought, people would enjoy it.

-live on coxsone

Re: (313) Dub Kult Mix

[robin]

that'll be this. ace track.

5. blue / dub kult / raum...musik

robin...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

what's the track playing at 20 minutes in- with the little alien voices?

Re: (313) Dub Kult Mix

[Martin Dust]

Yeah, it's the same Dub, he doing a few 12" for Dust :)

Here's the track list

1. memoria / murcof / context
2.moonwalk / blaze / playhouse
3.wavemail project / swayzak / two hundred & forty volts
4.red light district iv / sweet reinhard / djungle fever
5.blue / dub kult / raum...musik
6.pistol oderso / daniel wang / disco nouveau
7.they keep dancing / perspects / disco nouveau
8.we are living in the night / crème de menthe / disko b
9.s-bahn / i-liner / parallel recordings
10.hypno freak / robotman / minus / steve bug's mix
11.antithesis / john tejada / sino
12.what yoy say is more than i can say / villalobos / playhouse
13.stop the world / dub kult / arcola
14.recht erst jetzt / reinhard voigt / kompakt
15.depart / justin berkovi / nightrax
16.red controller / pill hearin / electrix records
17.caboose / rob lenarduzzi / jack tripper presents
18.movin' thru your system / jark prongo / hooj / slacker software remix
19.tear it down / the accomplice / resource recordings
20.p off / flr / reel muisq
21.king pin / blimp / pro-jex
22.kross kut / paul birken / people of rhythm


19/5/04 7:47 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED]@datavibe.net

> what's the track playing at 20 minutes in- with the little alien voices?
> 
> On Wed, 19 May 2004, robin wrote:
> 
>> 
>> ok so it's not totally on topic but if you're after a genre
>> disrespecting mix try this:
>> 
>> http://www.littledetroit.net/Downloads/DubKult.php
>> 
>> listening to it now...very good.
>> 
>> so does anyone know if this is the same 'Dub' that used to be on UKDance
>> way back when i was last on there (95)?
>> 
>> robin...
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: (313) Dub Kult Mix

[yussel]

what's the track playing at 20 minutes in- with the little alien voices?

On Wed, 19 May 2004, robin wrote:

>
> ok so it's not totally on topic but if you're after a genre
> disrespecting mix try this:
>
> http://www.littledetroit.net/Downloads/DubKult.php
>
> listening to it now...very good.
>
> so does anyone know if this is the same 'Dub' that used to be on UKDance
> way back when i was last on there (95)?
>
> robin...
>
>

Re: (313) Dub Kult Mix

[Tom Churchill]

Yep, it's the same person...

T

On 19 May 2004, at 17:17, robin wrote:
so does anyone know if this is the same 'Dub' that used to be on 
UKDance way back when i was last on there (95)?

(313) Dub Kult Mix

[robin]

ok so it's not totally on topic but if you're after a genre 
disrespecting mix try this:


http://www.littledetroit.net/Downloads/DubKult.php

listening to it now...very good.

so does anyone know if this is the same 'Dub' that used to be on UKDance 
way back when i was last on there (95)?


robin...

RE: (313) Dub / Pole live set

[James Hurlbut]

Speaking of dub, Pole played a live dub influenced set here in San 
Francisco last Friday. He even had what looked like a custom made melodica, 
the toy keyboard harmonica popularized by Jamaican dub artist Augustus 
Pablo. The sound was more roots dub style than when I've seen him 
previously. Also much more of a traditional live music set with lots of 
solos and silence in between tracks, for better or worse. It was a bit too 
slow for my tastes, but entertaining. He also had a Nord Modular keyboard, 
a laptop running Logic and some effects pedals (sorry no vintage tubby 
style spring reverb unit). Not a bad set of gear to lug across the 
Atlantic! Or maybe it's just in his rider. Anyhoo, check it out if its 
coming to your town, but don't expect much dancing.


_
hurlbot
www.hurlbotics.com/mp3
_  

RE: (313) Dub / Pole

[James Hurlbut]

Speaking of dub, Pole played a live dub influenced set here in San 
Francisco last Friday. He even had what looked like a custom made melodica, 
the toy keyboard harmonica popularized by Jamaican dub artist Augustus 
Pablo. The sound was more roots dub style than when I've seen him 
previously. Also much more of a traditional live music set with lots of 
solos and silence in between tracks, for better or worse. It was a bit too 
slow for my tastes, but entertaining. He also had a Nord Modular keyboard, 
a laptop running Logic and some effects pedals (sorry no vintage tubby 
style spring reverb unit). Not a bad set of gear to lug across the 
Atlantic! Or maybe it's just in his rider. Anyhoo, check it out if its 
coming to your town, but don't expect much dancing.



_
hurlbot
www.hurlbotics.com/mp3
_  

Re: RE: (313) Dub

[scotto]

> >> I'm not denying the meaning or existence of the patois word 'dup' 
> >> (I've heard a word which seems to derive from it, 'duppy'). But I
> >> always thought
> >> the term 'Dub' as applied to reggae and eventually to any
> >> remixed 'version'
> >> of a popular music track/song, came from the term 'dub' which
> >> is simply
> >> another word for recording, especially making a copy of an existing
> >> recording.



i recently bought a comp on soul jazz records named the studio one
story. 2x12 with some great music. it also came with a 4 hour dvd with
interviews with almost everyone who is anyone in reggae. 

they interviewed an engineer from studio one and he explained the term
dub as when jamacian dj tosted over record they turned out the vocal
track, so some of the dj were able to get into the studio and record
there version with the orignal music and there vocal. some times they
would add sounds from other popular songs through tape to tape transfers.

the main person they interviewed was clement "coxsone" dodd. this guy
is genius imo. started a studio one back in the 50's and recorded most
of the classic ska/reggae/dub artist. he also talked about how
jamacian dj would scratch the labels off records, (this was back in
the 50's) how they built big sound systems, had parties until the
early morning and how he to beat the of other jamacian dj getting the
same records as him went into a studio and recorded his own music to
dj. so no one else would have it.

sound familiar??

-- 
-scotto
 lansing, mi.
 plaztikjezuz.com

RE: (313) Dub

[Benn Glazier]

Another interesting interpretation that I think has been missed.

dub
v. dubbed, dub·bing, dubs 
v. tr.
To thrust at; poke. 
To beat (a drum). 

v. intr.
To make a thrust. 
To beat on a drum. 

n. 
The act of dubbing. 
A drumbeat. 

[Perhaps from Low German dubben, to hit, strike.] 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 12:56 AM
> To: Martin; Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) Dub
> 
> 
> Dub is short for double, no? ie copy/transfer? I work in television and
> the word dub is used to describe any copy of a master tape. Dub also
> means to strike/hit with a sword - ie The Queens does it when she
> knights people. There will a plethora of varying etymologies of the word
> cos it is a very simple 3 letter word with many possible origins.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:48 PM
> To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) Dub
> 
> 
> The meaning in Reggae came from this:
> 
>  to furnish (a film or tape) with a new sound track, as one recorded in
> the language of the country of import.
> 
> 
> martin
> 
> 30/9/03 1:48 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> > yeah, words like "overdubs" for example... I always though it was a 
> > derivation of "duplication", because you were adding a second track ; 
> > this being said, it might be the Jamaican origin... or both words have
> 
> > a common and very ancient origin, with always that idea of having 
> > things in double, body & ghost, track 1 & track 2... any linguist on 
> > this list ?
> > 
> > Gwendal
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-
> >> From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:43 PM
> >> To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
> >> Subject: RE: (313) Dub
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Very vry interesting and intriguing. One bit jars though:
> >> 
> >>> Indeed, dub is rooted in the word "dup," which is Jamaican patois 
> >>> for "ghost."
> >> 
> >> I'm not denying the meaning or existence of the patois word 'dup' 
> >> (I've heard a word which seems to derive from it, 'duppy'). But I
> >> always thought
> >> the term 'Dub' as applied to reggae and eventually to any
> >> remixed 'version'
> >> of a popular music track/song, came from the term 'dub' which
> >> is simply
> >> another word for recording, especially making a copy of an existing
> >> recording.
> >> 
> >> k
> >> 
> > 
> 
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RE: (313) Dub

[Hindle, Simon (IT)]

My understanding was that 'dub' came from 'double'.

Check this out - a (somewhat incomplete) article I wrote about the
history of the remix. It has some stuff about dub and stuff in there:

http://www.inthemix.com.au/p/np/viewnews.php?id=11806

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 12:56 AM
To: Martin; Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Dub


Dub is short for double, no? ie copy/transfer? I work in television and
the word dub is used to describe any copy of a master tape. Dub also
means to strike/hit with a sword - ie The Queens does it when she
knights people. There will a plethora of varying etymologies of the word
cos it is a very simple 3 letter word with many possible origins.

-Original Message-
From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:48 PM
To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Dub


The meaning in Reggae came from this:

 to furnish (a film or tape) with a new sound track, as one recorded in
the language of the country of import.


martin

30/9/03 1:48 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> yeah, words like "overdubs" for example... I always though it was a 
> derivation of "duplication", because you were adding a second track ; 
> this being said, it might be the Jamaican origin... or both words have

> a common and very ancient origin, with always that idea of having 
> things in double, body & ghost, track 1 & track 2... any linguist on 
> this list ?
> 
> Gwendal
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:43 PM
>> To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: RE: (313) Dub
>> 
>> 
>> Very vry interesting and intriguing. One bit jars though:
>> 
>>> Indeed, dub is rooted in the word "dup," which is Jamaican patois 
>>> for "ghost."
>> 
>> I'm not denying the meaning or existence of the patois word 'dup' 
>> (I've heard a word which seems to derive from it, 'duppy'). But I
>> always thought
>> the term 'Dub' as applied to reggae and eventually to any
>> remixed 'version'
>> of a popular music track/song, came from the term 'dub' which
>> is simply
>> another word for recording, especially making a copy of an existing
>> recording.
>> 
>> k
>> 
> 


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Re: (313) Dub

[robin]

such as King Stitt
   



that studio one dvd points to stitt being the first dj too

(who, incidentally, has the maddest gob I've ever seen)
 



no kidding(see http://www.geocities.com/studiowon/KingStitt.htm)

see this
http://www.trinity.unimelb.edu.au/~mwilliam/bj/skareggae/kingstitt.php

for  an interesting little interview

robin...

Re: RE: (313) Dub

[alex . bond]

>such as King Stitt

that studio one dvd points to stitt being the first dj too

(who, incidentally, has the maddest gob I've ever seen)


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Re: RE: (313) Dub

[Dan Bean]

On the origin of the word dub - as with almost all accounts of the labyrinthine 
Jamaican music industry, there are many often conflicting explanations of a 
particular phenomenon. However, my guess is that the word 'dub/duppy' as used 
in patois has an origin that predates recording technology and is related to 
practice of the Obeah men - shamanistic individuals associated with 
witchcraft/evil spirits etc. The similarity to the recording technology use of 
the word may be purely coincidental. Martin - what is the source of your 
definition?

As for the piece of writing we are discussing, it was OK, but as far as I'm 
aware the practice of making versions of tracks predates 1969 by quite a few 
years to the ska era, and there were certainly toasting deejays before U Roy, 
such as King Stitt and others, though obviusly U Roy was the Don in many 
respects. Also I wasn't aware of a particular Duke Reid - Tubbys association 
that gave birth to the thing we recognise as a dubwise version of a tune 
-complete with echos + dropping in and out of different instruments. For one 
thing I believe most studios in the late sixties were still recording using 
equipment with one or two tracks, which makes dropping different instruments 
out of the mix rather hard.

For a more informed opinion than mine (which isn't saying much) check out Dave 
Katz's excellent biography of Lee Perry - 'People Funny Boy'. Alternatively, 
Lloyd Bradley's 'Bass Culture' is also a good read, covering the sweep of 
Jamaican music from the late fifties onwards with some enthralling accounts of 
legendary UK soundclashes between Shaka and others.

Dan.


You wrote:
> 
> >
> >Duppy is ghosts or practice of voodoo. Listen to Bob Marley's Duppy
> >Conquerer to get the picture. Dub is not related to Dup(ppy) afaik.
> >
> >Rav
> >
> Why not? Have you been paying attention?!?!? ;-) From what the learned
> people have said in the last few minutes it would appear that the two words
> *are* related!
> 
> k
> 

RE: (313) Dub

[Odeluga, Ken]

>
>Duppy is ghosts or practice of voodoo. Listen to Bob Marley's Duppy
>Conquerer to get the picture. Dub is not related to Dup(ppy) afaik.
>
>Rav
>
Why not? Have you been paying attention?!?!? ;-) From what the learned
people have said in the last few minutes it would appear that the two words
*are* related!

k

RE: (313) Dub

[Mann, Ravinder [CCS]]

Duppy is ghosts or practice of voodoo. Listen to Bob Marley's Duppy
Conquerer to get the picture. Dub is not related to Dup(ppy) afaik.

Rav

-Original Message-
From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 30 September 2003 14:43
To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Dub


Very vry interesting and intriguing. One bit jars though:

>Indeed, dub is rooted in the word "dup," which is Jamaican patois for 
>"ghost."

I'm not denying the meaning or existence of the patois word 'dup' (I've
heard a word which seems to derive from it, 'duppy'). But I always thought
the term 'Dub' as applied to reggae and eventually to any remixed 'version'
of a popular music track/song, came from the term 'dub' which is simply
another word for recording, especially making a copy of an existing
recording.

k

RE: (313) Dub

[Robert Taylor]

Dub is short for double, no? ie copy/transfer? I work in television and the 
word dub is used to describe any copy of a master tape.
Dub also means to strike/hit with a sword - ie The Queens does it when she 
knights people.
There will a plethora of varying etymologies of the word cos it is a very 
simple 3 letter word with many possible origins.

-Original Message-
From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:48 PM
To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Dub


The meaning in Reggae came from this:

 to furnish (a film or tape) with a new sound track, as one recorded in the
language of the country of import.


martin

30/9/03 1:48 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> yeah, words like "overdubs" for example... I always though it was a derivation
> of "duplication", because you were adding a second track ; this being said, it
> might be the Jamaican origin... or both words have a common and very ancient
> origin, with always that idea of having things in double, body & ghost, track
> 1 & track 2... any linguist on this list ?
> 
> Gwendal
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:43 PM
>> To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: RE: (313) Dub
>> 
>> 
>> Very vry interesting and intriguing. One bit jars though:
>> 
>>> Indeed, dub is rooted in the word "dup," which is Jamaican patois
>>> for "ghost."
>> 
>> I'm not denying the meaning or existence of the patois word
>> 'dup' (I've
>> heard a word which seems to derive from it, 'duppy'). But I
>> always thought
>> the term 'Dub' as applied to reggae and eventually to any
>> remixed 'version'
>> of a popular music track/song, came from the term 'dub' which
>> is simply
>> another word for recording, especially making a copy of an existing
>> recording.
>> 
>> k
>> 
> 

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Re: (313) Dub

[Martin]

The meaning in Reggae came from this:

 to furnish (a film or tape) with a new sound track, as one recorded in the
language of the country of import.


martin

30/9/03 1:48 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> yeah, words like "overdubs" for example... I always though it was a derivation
> of "duplication", because you were adding a second track ; this being said, it
> might be the Jamaican origin... or both words have a common and very ancient
> origin, with always that idea of having things in double, body & ghost, track
> 1 & track 2... any linguist on this list ?
> 
> Gwendal
> 
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>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:43 PM
>> To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: RE: (313) Dub
>> 
>> 
>> Very vry interesting and intriguing. One bit jars though:
>> 
>>> Indeed, dub is rooted in the word "dup," which is Jamaican patois
>>> for "ghost."
>> 
>> I'm not denying the meaning or existence of the patois word
>> 'dup' (I've
>> heard a word which seems to derive from it, 'duppy'). But I
>> always thought
>> the term 'Dub' as applied to reggae and eventually to any
>> remixed 'version'
>> of a popular music track/song, came from the term 'dub' which
>> is simply
>> another word for recording, especially making a copy of an existing
>> recording.
>> 
>> k
>> 
> 

RE: (313) Dub

[Cobert, Gwendal]

yeah, words like "overdubs" for example... I always though it was a derivation 
of "duplication", because you were adding a second track ; this being said, it 
might be the Jamaican origin... or both words have a common and very ancient 
origin, with always that idea of having things in double, body & ghost, track 1 
& track 2... any linguist on this list ?

Gwendal

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> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:43 PM
> To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org
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> 
> 
> Very vry interesting and intriguing. One bit jars though:
> 
> >Indeed, dub is rooted in the word "dup," which is Jamaican patois
> >for "ghost."
> 
> I'm not denying the meaning or existence of the patois word 
> 'dup' (I've
> heard a word which seems to derive from it, 'duppy'). But I 
> always thought
> the term 'Dub' as applied to reggae and eventually to any 
> remixed 'version'
> of a popular music track/song, came from the term 'dub' which 
> is simply
> another word for recording, especially making a copy of an existing
> recording.
> 
> k
> 

RE: (313) Dub

[Odeluga, Ken]

Very vry interesting and intriguing. One bit jars though:

>Indeed, dub is rooted in the word "dup," which is Jamaican patois
>for "ghost."

I'm not denying the meaning or existence of the patois word 'dup' (I've
heard a word which seems to derive from it, 'duppy'). But I always thought
the term 'Dub' as applied to reggae and eventually to any remixed 'version'
of a popular music track/song, came from the term 'dub' which is simply
another word for recording, especially making a copy of an existing
recording.

k

Re: (313) Dub

[alex . bond]

>RHYTHM & SOUND
>The Versions
>Burial Mix

, I like 'the channel'.

that vainqueur/tikiman 12" reminds me of them too
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[Andrew Eigus]

speaking about dub..rhythm & sound burial mixes are now available on the
cd.

news from boomkat:

ALBUM OF THE WEEK!
RHYTHM & SOUND
The Versions
Burial Mix
CD // £ 11.99

This second breathtaking CD leaves out the vocal accompaniment and exposes
the terryfingly deep Basic Channel production as it drifts off into
instrumental effervescance. Look back at our archive of reviews for releases
on the Burial Mix label and you'll probably realise that we've always had a
reverential approach to what these people do. The credentials are all there
: the godlike production talents of mark ernestus and moritz von oswald have
already set the world ablaze once, twice, three, four times with the seminal
work as Basic Channel and the splintering into microscopic, heavyweight
offshoots by way of the M series (Maurizio on proud display), Main Street
(Chicago rhythms floating into dub), Chain Reaction (reduced, spacious
techno blueprints), Rhythm and Sound (largely instrumental dub coloured
mountains of space) and, of course, Burial Mix (vocalists brought forth,
reggae re-invented). It's hard to over-emphasise just how important this
music has been to us personally over the last 10 years and, for that matter,
just how substantial the impact of the Basic Channel model has been on
everything that has taken place in electronic music since. Following the
convention of vinyl precedence, each of these labels has offered a catalogue
up on record (in this case 10" releases) before compiling the music onto one
cd. This is, in fact, the second Burial Mix compilation, the first
"showcase" concentrating on the label's collaborations with Paul St Hilaire,
aka Tikiman, for its opening set of releases. This second installment
divides itself into Vocal and Instrumental "Versions" (the Vocal tracks are
collected seperately on a second cd), displaying the last seven releases in
their entirety, plus the upcoming "Mash Down Babylon" (a new take on the
awesome, rare as hell "March Down Babylon"), and features a quite simply
breathtaking collection of tracks that in their time have all been singles
of the week for us here. Just thinking of the majestic exuberance of "King
in My Empire", or the breathtaking midnight spaciousness of "Making Histroy"
brings goosebumps to this already seasoned listener, and that's just an
opening gambit. There's no room for mistake or argument - we have been
waiting for these two releases for a long long time, it really doesn't get
any better. Absolutely essential.



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Re: (313) Dub

[alex . bond]

If you're into this, there's a free 4 hr dvd with one of the studio one
compilations on soul jazz that you just have to get!

it's ace.

and it's here..

http://www.souljazzrecords.co.uk/s1story.htm

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(313) Dub

[Cobert, Gwendal]

Just thought this could interest some people here : a text about the origins of 
dub posted by "A.S. Van Dorston" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on the The Wire mailing-list.

Gwendal

"The roots of dub can be traced all the way back to the late forties, when 
sound systems first appeared in Jamaica. Young deejays would play r&b imports 
from the U.S. on a setup of an amplifier, massive homemade speakers and a 
turntable. Sound systems became more prominent when Jamaica was emancipated 
from Britain in 1962. The best sound systems had deejays who could introduce 
the songs and coax the dancers using the latest "jive." U. Roy became the 
biggest star, deejaying for Clement "Sir Coxsone" Dodd's Downbeat, and then 
King Tubby's Hometown Hi-Fi. As American r&b was replaced by rock & roll, 
deejays played more and more homegrown records. The two-track recordings 
reserved the B-side of the record to test sound levels. The instrumental 
B-side, or the "version," became popular with deejays like U. Roy who had the 
freedom to toast throughout the record without competing with recorded vocals. 
Duke Reid, a sound system "selector" who branched into recording at his 
Treasure Isle
 Studios, began making "specials" in 1969, using U.Roy's voice-overs. In 
experimenting with the versions and specials, Reid's studio engineer, King 
Tubby, began making versions of songs in which the vocals dropped in and out 
amongst a cacophony of echo, reverb and heavy, heavy bass. The first dubs were 
"You Don't Care" by the Techniques, and songs by the Melodians and Phyllis 
Dillon.
While Lee "Scratch" Perry insists that he invented dub first, there is no 
recorded evidence to prove it. However, his dubs of Bob Marley & the Wailers 
from 1970 (Soul Revolution Vol. 1 & 2, Trojan) indicate that he developed the 
technique almost concurrently with King Tubby. Perry represented a more 
mystical aspect of dub. He produced a kaleidoscopic variety of eerie sound 
effects, explaning that they were "the ghosts in me coming out." Indeed, dub is 
rooted in the word "dup," which is Jamaican patois for "ghost." Perry suggests 
that dub is not only a doubling of sounds, but of one's soul from the 
spirit-world into the tehnological world. For more information, see Dick 
Hebdige, Cut 'n' Mix (1987) and S.H. Fernando Jr., The New Beats (1994)."

[313] dub& ska / july 22 hamtramck mi

[anki miyamoto]

http://diyska.org/stubborn.jpg

an evening of ska and dub at indigo in hamtramck

-anki miyamoto

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[313] dub / ska show in hamtramck mi july 03, 2002

[anki miyamoto]

this is diy ska:

general rudie (montreal) on stomp records - traditional ska 
with lots of keyboards and efx
too short notice from NJ
project akimbo from pontiac, mi - has a phaser!
and anki miyamoto (live dub) 

@ indigo bar - 3141 caniff - hamtramck mi
music @ 8 / $6 / all ages welcome

-a.miyamoto
diyska.org

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RE: [313] dub taylor

[Batory, Jason]

You should check out the excellent 3B label. Alex Kruger has had releases on
it both as Dub Taylor and also as Shura.

Other Alex Kruger guises include Psychoplasma, Korsakow, Retronic and Hair.

Respect
JasonB

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> im just going thru some Force Tracks releases on groovetech, and please
> can
> someone can give me some info on dub taylor. this is some realy nice piece
> of music that his produceing..
> 
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> 
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RE: [313] dub taylor

[diana potts]

well, if it's a most recent release it would probably
be off the 'Detect' album It was one of my
favorites along side Bodily Functions for last year.
Dirty Highways stands as my favorite track on the
album...Sweet Lips is nice to and a bit more upbeat.


--- Sara Giampa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dub Taylor aka  Alex Krüger is from Berlin, I have a
> release of his on
> raum...musik called Forms and Figures (strongly
> recommended), his Dub Taylor
> alias seems to be his very deep dubby techhouse
> production, and i believe he
> produces under a few other aliases (not sure of the
> names).
> 
> perhaps try www.raummusik.de for some more info
> 
> -s
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> 
> im just going thru some Force Tracks releases on
> groovetech, and please can
> someone can give me some info on dub taylor. this is
> some realy nice piece
> of music that his produceing..
> 
> thanks
> 
> 
> b.
> 
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[Sara Giampa]

Dub Taylor aka  Alex Krüger is from Berlin, I have a release of his on
raum...musik called Forms and Figures (strongly recommended), his Dub Taylor
alias seems to be his very deep dubby techhouse production, and i believe he
produces under a few other aliases (not sure of the names).

perhaps try www.raummusik.de for some more info

-s

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im just going thru some Force Tracks releases on groovetech, and please can
someone can give me some info on dub taylor. this is some realy nice piece
of music that his produceing..

thanks


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[313] dub taylor

[Berislav]

im just going thru some Force Tracks releases on groovetech, and please can
someone can give me some info on dub taylor. this is some realy nice piece
of music that his produceing..

thanks


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Re: [313] dub detroit/berlin claude young

[john arnold]

There is a new mix c.d. by Claude Young and dj rok, called Berlin/Detroit.  
It is available at dj-sets.com

It might just be what you are looking for Curt.
Artists included are Model 500, Brian Harden, Nubian Minds, Carl Craig, Jeff 
Mill, Shake, Technasia.to name a few. I was lucky enough to get a track 
on there as well.

check it out.
ja



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Subject: [313] deep dub detroit/berlin ramble
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:48:32 -0600 (CST)

Hey, I want to get more of the deep dubby stuff on CD (or mp3's).  I have
the Maurizio, Vainqueur, Decay Product, and Deep Chord  CD's.  That's
pretty much it for store bought CD's.  On order, I bought Fluxion: Vibrant
Forms II, and the self titled Rhythm and Sound CD.  I found out about
Rythym and Sound because I was listening to this mp3 mix and it dropped
Rhythm and Sound's "Imprint" in the middle of the set.  It was the deepest
dubbiest thing I've heard!--and thankfully the playlist was posted so I'd
know who made it.  I saw on the CD that the track is over 16 minutes long!
I just hope that it doesn't have any reggae (sp?) vocals dropped in like
*some* of their songs.  And after hearing that Mill's "Every dog..." has
vocals, I lost hope in just 'buying' any Mill's release that comes
out--because vocals can make techno sound very tacky if not done right.
Well, on the mp3 front, I know DJ Mary has that one great dubby mix at
techno.cz, but too bad I can't find more great mixes online.  I think that
deep dub stuff is too underground or obscure for many people, even in
techno--it's too bad.


New paragraph.--->

Well, I also bought Vladislav Delay's "Anima" Cd.  From the outset, the
reviews were mixed, but I liked the fact that it was one big 62 minute
electronic music experiment (so said the reviews).  I'd like to hear it
for myself though...the clips sounded cool . Personally, I've listened
to a bunch of the Chain Reaction Cd's and I'm
not totally impressed with all of them--some
of them just aren't dubby enough, you know?  Hmm, enough rambling, later.

   
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[sound]

i second that, king tubby is incredible. if you want to hear some wild
dub-sounding electronics check raymond scotts ibm/bendix stuff



> get your hands on as much king tubby as possible. you may also want to
check
> out his apprentice prince jammy's recordings... good luck
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>
>
> > i'm looking for some of the direct influences on basic channel/chain
> > reaction.
> > someone posted a good few months ago about a compilation cd (blood and
> fire
> > i think??) that you could totally hear the influence.
> > there is a lot of mediocre dub out there and i'm counting on you lot to
> give
> > me some good recommendations.
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> > kaojyan
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[313] Dub

[Michael Gano]

Regarding the dub request & Blood & Fire

Blood & Fire's houses some great roots dub...I'd recommend the albums off
B&F:
-Yabby You's Tribute to King Tubby
-X-Ray Music: A Dub Directory
-Dubwise and Otherwise

and then for a great mix of old and new check out:
-Select Cuts from Blood & Fire - Actually put out by Echo Beach, it has a
lot of contempories (Smith & Mighty, Alex Patterson, Stereo MC's, Groove
Corporation...) remixing the rootsmen (King Tubby, Yabby You, Tappa Zukie,
Horace Andy, I Roy...)


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[Christian Bloch]

get your hands on as much king tubby as possible. you may also want to check
out his apprentice prince jammy's recordings... good luck
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> i'm looking for some of the direct influences on basic channel/chain
> reaction.
> someone posted a good few months ago about a compilation cd (blood and
fire
> i think??) that you could totally hear the influence.
> there is a lot of mediocre dub out there and i'm counting on you lot to
give
> me some good recommendations.
> thanks
> kaojyan
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RE: [313] dub

[Grammenos, Peter]

There's a great article in last months SOMA ( san fran mag ) about dub and
it's influences on electronic music with a recommended discography. All good
selections.

For newer stuff you should check out Guidance "Hi-Fidelity Dub Sessions" and
Burnt Friedman and the new Dub Players "Just Landed". The latter is an
amazing take at using older dub production styles (lots of echo , reverb )
but with new sounds.

Also, if your in nyc, check out SattaSundays @ Swin every other sunday for
DJ Kush and his live soundsystem dub. It's not often you get to see a dj
spinning without headphones ;) He also owns a record shop on east 3rd called
Jammyland that has anything and everything dub.

-Pete 


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Subject: [313] dub


i'm looking for some of the direct influences on basic channel/chain
reaction.
someone posted a good few months ago about a compilation cd (blood and fire
i think??) that you could totally hear the influence.
there is a lot of mediocre dub out there and i'm counting on you lot to give
me some good recommendations.
thanks
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[313] dub

[Kao Jyan]

i'm looking for some of the direct influences on basic channel/chain
reaction.
someone posted a good few months ago about a compilation cd (blood and fire
i think??) that you could totally hear the influence.
there is a lot of mediocre dub out there and i'm counting on you lot to give
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Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?

[Nick Walsh]

Or Steel Pulse or Ijahman Levi or Israel Vibration or
Burning Spear,etc.,etc... proper dub... no abstract
stuff there:) 

Nick (Dj Pacific:)
--- Neil Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >
In a message dated 7/10/00 10:51:37 AM,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 
> > << not dub styled >>
> > 
> > What does dub mean anyway?(not duplicate kind
> either) 
> 
> Dub began as kind of 'remixes' of reggae tracks,
> (indeed to this day many 
> reggae 7"s come w/ reggae version on one side and a
> dub on the flip) 
> often vocals were stripped out almost completely
> usually with small
> snatches and refrains dropped into the mix
> occasionally, the bass is
> usually much heavier than reggae. In addition large
> amounts of delay are
> used to create some really crazy effects (check out
> lee perrys 'dub
> revolution' which has some insane cuts of vocals
> dropping in and out).
> 
> I think Dub is really important in highlighting the
> role that the producer
> plays in the creation of tracks, as many dub tracks
> are credited to both
> producer AND musicians rather than the producers
> name being hidden
> somewhere in the liner notes.
> 
> But from dub roots as an offshoot of reggae the term
> has been used in
> various ways, for instance a dub of a house track is
> genrally the track
> minus the vocals (or certainly less vocals).
> 
> Now the term is used to describe stuff such as Basic
> Channel, Pole, etc
> Bass heavy, with plenty delay effects, this is also
> sometimes refered to
> as 'digital dub' to avoid confusion w/ trad. dub.
> 
> If you want to check any Old school Dub try
> 
> Lee "Scratch" Perry
> King Tubby
> Prince Jammy
> 
> 
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[Neil Wallace]

> In a message dated 7/10/00 10:51:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << not dub styled >>
> 
> What does dub mean anyway?(not duplicate kind either) 

Dub began as kind of 'remixes' of reggae tracks, (indeed to this day many 
reggae 7"s come w/ reggae version on one side and a dub on the flip) 
often vocals were stripped out almost completely usually with small
snatches and refrains dropped into the mix occasionally, the bass is
usually much heavier than reggae. In addition large amounts of delay are
used to create some really crazy effects (check out lee perrys 'dub
revolution' which has some insane cuts of vocals dropping in and out).

I think Dub is really important in highlighting the role that the producer
plays in the creation of tracks, as many dub tracks are credited to both
producer AND musicians rather than the producers name being hidden
somewhere in the liner notes.

But from dub roots as an offshoot of reggae the term has been used in
various ways, for instance a dub of a house track is genrally the track
minus the vocals (or certainly less vocals).

Now the term is used to describe stuff such as Basic Channel, Pole, etc
Bass heavy, with plenty delay effects, this is also sometimes refered to
as 'digital dub' to avoid confusion w/ trad. dub.

If you want to check any Old school Dub try

Lee "Scratch" Perry
King Tubby
Prince Jammy

Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?

[FRED MCMURRY]

Oh, and Rampe D records also has a strong dub influence
Frankfurt/Berlin seems to have a strong raggae and dub scene. I know that's 
stating the obvious but I've been curious as to why this is so. Is there a 
large immigrant population from Trinidad/Jamaica  like there is in the UK?


Fred



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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:58:39 PDT

Yeah, I second that opinion..anything on ~scape or anything related to BC 
or

CR is good dub influenced techno/electronic. Also Nick Rapaccioli's solo
work and his work with Leftfield, and Leftfield's Rhythm & Stealth is
excellent.

Fred



From: "Jorge Velez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:48:37 EDT


From: "FRED MCMURRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:33:43 PDT

Dub records doesn't really do dub music. They are more into the IDM click
and clack sounds with ambient melodies underneath. From everything I've
heard it's not the super bass heavy sound typical of dub music. However,
the
NUMMER EEN compilation is excellent..in fact I've been listening to it 
for

the last week nonstop, yes buy it. I've been especially drawn to
Funckarama's tracks. But don't confuse dub records with having elements 
of

dub music...it doesn't.
If you are looking for dub music go for Elektrolux records
(elektrolux.com)
(check out Synchromatic Dubsters, Dr. Scissors, Dub Mix Convetion, Jammin
Unit), Dubhead records (dubhead.dircon.co.uk), Sountern Dub records,
anything by Burnt Freeman, the Bush Chemists, Aramagideon, Sly and Robbie
(of course)...this is just scraping the surface of the good dub.

Fred



I recommend Kit Clayton's "Nek Sanalet" album on ~scape (Pole's label).
Some very deep dub textures/effects blended with Clayton's
signature electronics. Noice.

Jorge 
   www.mp3.com/milkish
 



From: "The [Quad]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:00:46 -0700

I've read several artists/releases from this label (DUB) championed on
the
313...
DURACEL, for one, and yet I have no knowledge of the "sounds" to be
expected...
Would the dub be of the spacious, minimal-type or maybe the heavy,
gut-churning
kind..?
Better still-can my question be answered with a purchase of the "NUMMER
EEN"
CD comp..?

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J. E. v.F-B. B.











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Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?

[FRED MCMURRY]

Yeah, I second that opinion..anything on ~scape or anything related to BC or 
CR is good dub influenced techno/electronic. Also Nick Rapaccioli's solo 
work and his work with Leftfield, and Leftfield's Rhythm & Stealth is 
excellent.


Fred



From: "Jorge Velez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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CC: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:48:37 EDT


From: "FRED MCMURRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:33:43 PDT

Dub records doesn't really do dub music. They are more into the IDM click
and clack sounds with ambient melodies underneath. From everything I've
heard it's not the super bass heavy sound typical of dub music. However, 
the

NUMMER EEN compilation is excellent..in fact I've been listening to it for
the last week nonstop, yes buy it. I've been especially drawn to
Funckarama's tracks. But don't confuse dub records with having elements of
dub music...it doesn't.
If you are looking for dub music go for Elektrolux records 
(elektrolux.com)

(check out Synchromatic Dubsters, Dr. Scissors, Dub Mix Convetion, Jammin
Unit), Dubhead records (dubhead.dircon.co.uk), Sountern Dub records,
anything by Burnt Freeman, the Bush Chemists, Aramagideon, Sly and Robbie
(of course)...this is just scraping the surface of the good dub.

Fred


I recommend Kit Clayton's "Nek Sanalet" album on ~scape (Pole's label). 
Some very deep dub textures/effects blended with Clayton's

signature electronics. Noice.

Jorge 
   www.mp3.com/milkish
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From: "The [Quad]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:00:46 -0700

I've read several artists/releases from this label (DUB) championed on 
the

313...
DURACEL, for one, and yet I have no knowledge of the "sounds" to be
expected...
Would the dub be of the spacious, minimal-type or maybe the heavy,
gut-churning
kind..?
Better still-can my question be answered with a purchase of the "NUMMER
EEN"
CD comp..?

Me And My Arrow,
J. E. v.F-B. B.











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Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?

[Jorge Velez]

From: "FRED MCMURRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:33:43 PDT

Dub records doesn't really do dub music. They are more into the IDM click
and clack sounds with ambient melodies underneath. From everything I've
heard it's not the super bass heavy sound typical of dub music. However, 
the

NUMMER EEN compilation is excellent..in fact I've been listening to it for
the last week nonstop, yes buy it. I've been especially drawn to
Funckarama's tracks. But don't confuse dub records with having elements of
dub music...it doesn't.
If you are looking for dub music go for Elektrolux records (elektrolux.com)
(check out Synchromatic Dubsters, Dr. Scissors, Dub Mix Convetion, Jammin
Unit), Dubhead records (dubhead.dircon.co.uk), Sountern Dub records,
anything by Burnt Freeman, the Bush Chemists, Aramagideon, Sly and Robbie
(of course)...this is just scraping the surface of the good dub.

Fred


I recommend Kit Clayton's "Nek Sanalet" album on ~scape (Pole's label). Some 
very deep dub textures/effects blended with Clayton's

signature electronics. Noice.

Jorge 
   www.mp3.com/milkish
 



From: "The [Quad]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:00:46 -0700

I've read several artists/releases from this label (DUB) championed on the
313...
DURACEL, for one, and yet I have no knowledge of the "sounds" to be
expected...
Would the dub be of the spacious, minimal-type or maybe the heavy,
gut-churning
kind..?
Better still-can my question be answered with a purchase of the "NUMMER
EEN"
CD comp..?

Me And My Arrow,
J. E. v.F-B. B.








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Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?

[FRED MCMURRY]

Dub records doesn't really do dub music. They are more into the IDM click 
and clack sounds with ambient melodies underneath. From everything I've 
heard it's not the super bass heavy sound typical of dub music. However, the 
NUMMER EEN compilation is excellent..in fact I've been listening to it for 
the last week nonstop, yes buy it. I've been especially drawn to 
Funckarama's tracks. But don't confuse dub records with having elements of 
dub music...it doesn't.
If you are looking for dub music go for Elektrolux records (elektrolux.com) 
(check out Synchromatic Dubsters, Dr. Scissors, Dub Mix Convetion, Jammin 
Unit), Dubhead records (dubhead.dircon.co.uk), Sountern Dub records, 
anything by Burnt Freeman, the Bush Chemists, Aramagideon, Sly and Robbie 
(of course)...this is just scraping the surface of the good dub.


Fred



From: "The [Quad]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:00:46 -0700

I've read several artists/releases from this label (DUB) championed on the 
313...
DURACEL, for one, and yet I have no knowledge of the "sounds" to be 
expected...
Would the dub be of the spacious, minimal-type or maybe the heavy, 
gut-churning

kind..?
Better still-can my question be answered with a purchase of the "NUMMER 
EEN"

CD comp..?

Me And My Arrow,
J. E. v.F-B. B.



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Re: [313] DUB I massive or minute..?

[Mediadrome]

In a message dated 7/10/00 10:51:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< not dub styled >>

What does dub mean anyway?(not duplicate kind either) 
reggai or Jamaican

(313) Dub/reggae Q

[Intermodal]

hey,

I was running errands this afternoon and I head a great reggae track on
the radio, the main chorus ran "Woman, you're a brand new second hand" 

anybody know who this is, and what release this is from? I need to get
my hands on this track now!

VanLoo???

Take care,
Mike Taylor

NP: Philus-Kuvio3
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