[AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP products. Oh well Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
I don't believe they're supposed to, assuming ptp650? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 27, 2016 2:37 PM, "Jon Langeler" wrote: > I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. > But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP > products. Oh well > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > >
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
Nah PMP450 with PTP450 Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > I don't believe they're supposed to, assuming ptp650? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > >> On Oct 27, 2016 2:37 PM, "Jon Langeler" wrote: >> I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. But >> as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP products. >> Oh well >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
You want to re-use a distribution channel as a backhaul channel, too? That seems like a bad idea anyway. -- Nathan From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP Nah PMP450 with PTP450 Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: I don't believe they're supposed to, assuming ptp650? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 27, 2016 2:37 PM, "Jon Langeler" mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote: I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP products. Oh well Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
that's been true since the beginning of time. you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the frame calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not easy at all but you could probably get it to work. your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. -Sean On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: > I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. > But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP > products. Oh well > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > >
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
The other problem since the beginning of time with Canopy style PTPs is that the master starts up in beaconing mode with a max range of like 120 miles and waits for a BHS reg attempt then does auto-ranging and shifts the timing. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible. On 10/27/2016 3:18 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: that's been true since the beginning of time. you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the frame calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not easy at all but you could probably get it to work. your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. -Sean On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote: I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP products. Oh well Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
YeahI'm curious who/what led you to believe otherwise. Did Cambium sales or support ever say that a PTP could sync with a PMP? On 10/27/2016 4:23 PM, George Skorup wrote: The other problem since the beginning of time with Canopy style PTPs is that the master starts up in beaconing mode with a max range of like 120 miles and waits for a BHS reg attempt then does auto-ranging and shifts the timing. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible. On 10/27/2016 3:18 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: that's been true since the beginning of time. you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the frame calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not easy at all but you could probably get it to work. your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. -Sean On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote: I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP products. Oh well Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
Yeah. I never tried it before. It's not an awesome idea. But if the customer pays $1500 for the install, we thought we would try a PTP in their direction. 900MHz :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Oct 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > YeahI'm curious who/what led you to believe otherwise. > > Did Cambium sales or support ever say that a PTP could sync with a PMP? > >> On 10/27/2016 4:23 PM, George Skorup wrote: >> The other problem since the beginning of time with Canopy style PTPs is that >> the master starts up in beaconing mode with a max range of like 120 miles >> and waits for a BHS reg attempt then does auto-ranging and shifts the >> timing. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible. >> >>> On 10/27/2016 3:18 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: >>> that's been true since the beginning of time. >>> >>> you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the frame >>> calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not easy at all >>> but you could probably get it to work. >>> >>> your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler >>> wrote: I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP products. Oh well Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. >
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
I know it would not be a good idea to run PMP450 and PTP450 on same frequency but it sure would be nice if it allowed the next adjacent frequency to be used. We run multiple 5ghz PTP450i synced masters's on same frequency in different directions on same tower all the time. Keep them on one side of band and PMP450i's on other. On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: > Yeah. I never tried it before. It's not an awesome idea. But if the customer > pays $1500 for the install, we thought we would try a PTP in their > direction. 900MHz :-) > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Oct 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > YeahI'm curious who/what led you to believe otherwise. > > Did Cambium sales or support ever say that a PTP could sync with a PMP? > > > On 10/27/2016 4:23 PM, George Skorup wrote: > > The other problem since the beginning of time with Canopy style PTPs is that > the master starts up in beaconing mode with a max range of like 120 miles > and waits for a BHS reg attempt then does auto-ranging and shifts the > timing. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible. > > On 10/27/2016 3:18 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > that's been true since the beginning of time. > > you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the frame > calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not easy at all but > you could probably get it to work. > > your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. > > -Sean > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler > wrote: >> >> I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. >> But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP >> products. Oh well >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> > > >
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
Why no use a 900 ap and sm? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] On Oct 27, 2016, at 6:21 PM, Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote: Yeah. I never tried it before. It's not an awesome idea. But if the customer pays $1500 for the install, we thought we would try a PTP in their direction. 900MHz :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Oct 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: YeahI'm curious who/what led you to believe otherwise. Did Cambium sales or support ever say that a PTP could sync with a PMP? On 10/27/2016 4:23 PM, George Skorup wrote: The other problem since the beginning of time with Canopy style PTPs is that the master starts up in beaconing mode with a max range of like 120 miles and waits for a BHS reg attempt then does auto-ranging and shifts the timing. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible. On 10/27/2016 3:18 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: that's been true since the beginning of time. you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the frame calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not easy at all but you could probably get it to work. your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. -Sean On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote: I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP products. Oh well Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
Should be bumping up to the licensed radios for your backhauls anyways .. just a FYI. :) Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com Office: 314-735-0270 E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP I know it would not be a good idea to run PMP450 and PTP450 on same frequency but it sure would be nice if it allowed the next adjacent frequency to be used. We run multiple 5ghz PTP450i synced masters's on same frequency in different directions on same tower all the time. Keep them on one side of band and PMP450i's on other. On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: > Yeah. I never tried it before. It's not an awesome idea. But if the > customer pays $1500 for the install, we thought we would try a PTP in > their direction. 900MHz :-) > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Oct 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > YeahI'm curious who/what led you to believe otherwise. > > Did Cambium sales or support ever say that a PTP could sync with a PMP? > > > On 10/27/2016 4:23 PM, George Skorup wrote: > > The other problem since the beginning of time with Canopy style PTPs > is that the master starts up in beaconing mode with a max range of > like 120 miles and waits for a BHS reg attempt then does auto-ranging > and shifts the timing. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible. > > On 10/27/2016 3:18 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > that's been true since the beginning of time. > > you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the > frame calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not > easy at all but you could probably get it to work. > > your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. > > -Sean > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler > > wrote: >> >> I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. >> But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP >> products. Oh well >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> > > >
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
We do. Just thought I would try PTP in a small instance Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > > Why no use a 900 ap and sm? > > Gino A. Villarini > @gvillarini > > > > > > Gino Villarini > > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > > On Oct 27, 2016, at 6:21 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: > >> Yeah. I never tried it before. It's not an awesome idea. But if the customer >> pays $1500 for the install, we thought we would try a PTP in their >> direction. 900MHz :-) >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >> On Oct 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>> YeahI'm curious who/what led you to believe otherwise. >>> >>> Did Cambium sales or support ever say that a PTP could sync with a PMP? >>> On 10/27/2016 4:23 PM, George Skorup wrote: The other problem since the beginning of time with Canopy style PTPs is that the master starts up in beaconing mode with a max range of like 120 miles and waits for a BHS reg attempt then does auto-ranging and shifts the timing. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible. > On 10/27/2016 3:18 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > that's been true since the beginning of time. > > you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the frame > calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not easy at all > but you could probably get it to work. > > your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. > > -Sean > > >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler >> wrote: >> I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. >> But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP >> products. Oh well >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
Not 100% impossible. It's worked for us if the master PTP450 is co-located with the PMP450 APs. We set the DL % to the same (we're using 65% DL where we're doing this). The big problem is the auto-ranging that the PTP450 does, and there's not much you can do about it. Once it's synced up, if you've set the framing properly, they will sync just fine. Many people on the list have asked for, like, forever to have a way to "set" the framing parameters so that this would be easier. bp On 10/27/2016 1:23 PM, George Skorup wrote: The other problem since the beginning of time with Canopy style PTPs is that the master starts up in beaconing mode with a max range of like 120 miles and waits for a BHS reg attempt then does auto-ranging and shifts the timing. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible. On 10/27/2016 3:18 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: that's been true since the beginning of time. you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the frame calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not easy at all but you could probably get it to work. your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. -Sean On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote: I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP products. Oh well Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
> Not 100% impossible. It's worked for us if the master PTP450 is co-located > with the PMP450 APs. We set the DL % to the same (we're using 65% DL where > we're doing this). > > The big problem is the auto-ranging that the PTP450 does, and there's not > much you can do about it. Once it's synced up, if you've set the framing > properly, they will sync just fine. > > Many people on the list have asked for, like, forever to have a way to "set" > the framing parameters so that this would be easier. Back with the backhaul 20's transmit frame spreading used to help a lot with the issue. I would think having a setting to cap range would be easy for cambium to do since they are based on an AP anyway. > The other problem since the beginning of time with Canopy style PTPs is that > the master starts up in beaconing mode with a max range of like 120 miles > and waits for a BHS reg attempt then does auto-ranging and shifts the > timing. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible. > > On 10/27/2016 3:18 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > that's been true since the beginning of time. > > you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the frame > calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not easy at all but > you could probably get it to work. > > your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. > > -Sean > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler > wrote: >> >> I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. >> But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP >> products. Oh well >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> > > >
Re: [AFMUG] FYI Cambium PTP doesn't sync with PMP
It seems anti-Cambium not to have that sync work 100%. And anything less than 100% these days and the customers will notice. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Matt wrote: >> Not 100% impossible. It's worked for us if the master PTP450 is co-located >> with the PMP450 APs. We set the DL % to the same (we're using 65% DL where >> we're doing this). >> >> The big problem is the auto-ranging that the PTP450 does, and there's not >> much you can do about it. Once it's synced up, if you've set the framing >> properly, they will sync just fine. >> >> Many people on the list have asked for, like, forever to have a way to "set" >> the framing parameters so that this would be easier. > > Back with the backhaul 20's transmit frame spreading used to help a > lot with the issue. I would think having a setting to cap range would > be easy for cambium to do since they are based on an AP anyway. > > > >> The other problem since the beginning of time with Canopy style PTPs is that >> the master starts up in beaconing mode with a max range of like 120 miles >> and waits for a BHS reg attempt then does auto-ranging and shifts the >> timing. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible. >> >> On 10/27/2016 3:18 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: >> >> that's been true since the beginning of time. >> >> you can get it close with 50% downlink on the AP and then use the frame >> calculator to match the air delay parameter to the BHS. not easy at all but >> you could probably get it to work. >> >> your best bet is to use different bands for PMP and PTP tho. >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Jon Langeler >> wrote: >>> >>> I don't think their support department understands the concept of sync. >>> But as of now we have given up on PTP products syncing 100% with PMP >>> products. Oh well >>> >>> Jon Langeler >>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >>