Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-24 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Probably a 600.00 hammer
On Aug 24, 2015 7:17 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Loved this line: “In 2013, a Proton rocket was lost because a worker
> installed a sensor upside down — and hammered it in to fit. “
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
>
> Remember something like 8 years ago when the FCC retroactively required
> DFS in U-NII-2 and some manufacturers just dropped support of that band
> instead of getting DFS?  (Cough, cough, Trango)  I wonder if the whole
> industry is abandoning DFS.  I see that tri-band AC routers now come set by
> default to use U-NII-1 and U-NII-3, and why not, given the higher xmt power
> and no DFS.  I know that I’m reluctant to use DFS bands outdoors unless
> it’s the middle of nowhere, because even a couple false DFS events per
> month will now cause customer complaints.
>
> Probably it’s just part of Ubiquiti seems to have lost their mojo.
> Reminds me of this article on the once great Russian space program:
>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russias-geriatric-space-program-creaking-n413607
>
> But Optimus Prime is not dead, just damaged, and Mark Wahlberg will
> rebuild him ... oops, wrong movie.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
>
> IIRC, no new UBNT products have DFS certification. Some of the newer ones
> (Maybe all?) have 5150 certification.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
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> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Cc: *"Principal WISPA Member List" , memb...@wispa.org
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:39:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
>
> Hi Darin,
>
> Comparing Ubnt AC to EPMP ... it is not a fair, apples to apples
> comparison.. one is a 802.11ac based and the other is 802.11n based system.
>
> in regards to certs... actually, both are now certified for all of the
> bands... EPMP is available for use today, Ubnt AC products, awaiting a new
> firmware to unlock the channels.
>
> > If you are feq. constrained, the re-use of freq with EPMP will be highly
> desired.
> If you are not freq. constrained then ability to do higher bandwidth with
> the AC products will be appealing.
>
> >>>how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets
> misaligned
> For all systems, irrespective of who makes them... the key factor is
> Signal to Noise Ratio... if that is decent stuff will work well, if not
> then they all come down to their knees How much and how
> quicklywould be very difficult to describe(kind of like asking
> someone what does a rose smell like ?)
>
> >>>Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in
> hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.
> On any GPS based system, you will have a higher ping time(latency)
> EPMP's have a very decent QOS mechanism, and voip works well .
> Ubnt works pretty decent too.
> However as a general rule non gps based systems are more susceptible
> to interference... but then keep in mind that is a relative statement,
> depending on the strength of the interfering signal, even the gps based
> units will come down to their knees.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com, "memb...@wispa.org" , "Principal
> WISPA Member List" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:52:40 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
>
> Hello guys,
>
> Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare
> the differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and
> comparing Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more
> recent feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't
> talked about much

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-24 Thread Adam Moffett 

I wonder if they fired him or took him out behind the shed and shot him.


On 8/24/2015 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Loved this line: “In 2013, a Proton rocket was lost because a worker 
installed a sensor upside down — and hammered it in to fit. “

*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
Remember something like 8 years ago when the FCC retroactively 
required DFS in U-NII-2 and some manufacturers just dropped support of 
that band instead of getting DFS?  (Cough, cough, Trango)  I wonder if 
the whole industry is abandoning DFS.  I see that tri-band AC routers 
now come set by default to use U-NII-1 and U-NII-3, and why not, given 
the higher xmt power and no DFS.  I know that I’m reluctant to use DFS 
bands outdoors unless it’s the middle of nowhere, because even a 
couple false DFS events per month will now cause customer complaints.
Probably it’s just part of Ubiquiti seems to have lost their mojo.  
Reminds me of this article on the once great Russian space program:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russias-geriatric-space-program-creaking-n413607
But Optimus Prime is not dead, just damaged, and Mark Wahlberg will 
rebuild him ... oops, wrong movie.

*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
IIRC, no new UBNT products have DFS certification. Some of the newer 
ones (Maybe all?) have 5150 certification.




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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*From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Cc: *"Principal WISPA Member List" , memb...@wispa.org
*Sent: *Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:39:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

Hi Darin,
Comparing Ubnt AC to EPMP ... it is not a fair, apples to apples 
comparison.. one is a 802.11ac based and the other is 802.11n based 
system.
in regards to certs... actually, both are now certified for all of the 
bands... EPMP is available for use today, Ubnt AC products, awaiting a 
new firmware to unlock the channels.

>If you are feq. constrained, the re-use of freq with EPMP will be 
highly desired.
If you are not freq. constrained then ability to do higher bandwidth 
with the AC products will be appealing.
>>>how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish 
gets misaligned
For all systems, irrespective of who makes them... the key factor is 
Signal to Noise Ratio... if that is decent stuff will work well, if 
not then they all come down to their knees How much and how 
quicklywould be very difficult to describe(kind of like asking 
someone what does a rose smell like ?)
>>>Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.

On any GPS based system, you will have a higher ping time(latency)
EPMP's have a very decent QOS mechanism, and voip works well .
Ubnt works pretty decent too.
However as a general rule non gps based systems are more 
susceptible to interference... but then keep in mind that is a 
relative statement, depending on the strength of the interfering 
signal, even the gps based units will come down to their knees.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


*From: *"Darin Steffl" 
*To: *af@afmug.com, "memb...@wispa.org" ,
"Principal WISPA Member List" 
*Sent: *Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:52:40 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

Hello guys,
Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to
compare the differences in your network? We're building out some
new sites and comparing Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would
like to hear some more recent feedback on the ePMP platform since
it always seems like it isn't talked about much on the list or in
the forums.
I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is
still only certified and running in the upper bands, except for
beta which now has UNII-1 as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP
scale

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-24 Thread Chuck McCown 
Loved this line: “In 2013, a Proton rocket was lost because a worker installed 
a sensor upside down — and hammered it in to fit. “

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

Remember something like 8 years ago when the FCC retroactively required DFS in 
U-NII-2 and some manufacturers just dropped support of that band instead of 
getting DFS?  (Cough, cough, Trango)  I wonder if the whole industry is 
abandoning DFS.  I see that tri-band AC routers now come set by default to use 
U-NII-1 and U-NII-3, and why not, given the higher xmt power and no DFS.  I 
know that I’m reluctant to use DFS bands outdoors unless it’s the middle of 
nowhere, because even a couple false DFS events per month will now cause 
customer complaints.

Probably it’s just part of Ubiquiti seems to have lost their mojo.  Reminds me 
of this article on the once great Russian space program:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russias-geriatric-space-program-creaking-n413607

But Optimus Prime is not dead, just damaged, and Mark Wahlberg will rebuild him 
... oops, wrong movie.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

IIRC, no new UBNT products have DFS certification. Some of the newer ones 
(Maybe all?) have 5150 certification.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" , memb...@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:39:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback


Hi Darin,


Comparing Ubnt AC to EPMP ... it is not a fair, apples to apples comparison.. 
one is a 802.11ac based and the other is 802.11n based system.


in regards to certs... actually, both are now certified for all of the bands... 
EPMP is available for use today, Ubnt AC products, awaiting a new firmware to 
unlock the channels.


>>>how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
>>>misaligned

For all systems, irrespective of who makes them... the key factor is Signal to 
Noise Ratio... if that is decent stuff will work well, if not then they all 
come down to their knees How much and how quicklywould be very 
difficult to describe(kind of like asking someone what does a rose smell 
like ?)


>>>Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in hearing 
>>>about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT. 
On any GPS based system, you will have a higher ping time(latency)

EPMP's have a very decent QOS mechanism, and voip works well .

Ubnt works pretty decent too.
However as a general rule non gps based systems are more susceptible to 
interference... but then keep in mind that is a relative statement, depending 
on the strength of the interfering signal, even the gps based units will come 
down to their knees. 


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Darin Steffl" 
  To: af@afmug.com, "memb...@wispa.org" , "Principal WISPA 
Member List" 
  Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:52:40 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

  Hello guys, 

  Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums.

  I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.

  Any feedback would be great. Thanks



  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com

  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Remember something like 8 years ago when the FCC retroactively required DFS in 
U-NII-2 and some manufacturers just dropped support of that band instead of 
getting DFS?  (Cough, cough, Trango)  I wonder if the whole industry is 
abandoning DFS.  I see that tri-band AC routers now come set by default to use 
U-NII-1 and U-NII-3, and why not, given the higher xmt power and no DFS.  I 
know that I’m reluctant to use DFS bands outdoors unless it’s the middle of 
nowhere, because even a couple false DFS events per month will now cause 
customer complaints.

Probably it’s just part of Ubiquiti seems to have lost their mojo.  Reminds me 
of this article on the once great Russian space program:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russias-geriatric-space-program-creaking-n413607

But Optimus Prime is not dead, just damaged, and Mark Wahlberg will rebuild him 
... oops, wrong movie.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

IIRC, no new UBNT products have DFS certification. Some of the newer ones 
(Maybe all?) have 5150 certification.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" , memb...@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:39:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback


Hi Darin,


Comparing Ubnt AC to EPMP ... it is not a fair, apples to apples comparison.. 
one is a 802.11ac based and the other is 802.11n based system.


in regards to certs... actually, both are now certified for all of the bands... 
EPMP is available for use today, Ubnt AC products, awaiting a new firmware to 
unlock the channels.


>>>how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
>>>misaligned

For all systems, irrespective of who makes them... the key factor is Signal to 
Noise Ratio... if that is decent stuff will work well, if not then they all 
come down to their knees How much and how quicklywould be very 
difficult to describe(kind of like asking someone what does a rose smell 
like ?)


>>>Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in hearing 
>>>about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT. 
On any GPS based system, you will have a higher ping time(latency)

EPMP's have a very decent QOS mechanism, and voip works well .

Ubnt works pretty decent too.
However as a general rule non gps based systems are more susceptible to 
interference... but then keep in mind that is a relative statement, depending 
on the strength of the interfering signal, even the gps based units will come 
down to their knees. 


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Darin Steffl" 
  To: af@afmug.com, "memb...@wispa.org" , "Principal WISPA 
Member List" 
  Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:52:40 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

  Hello guys, 

  Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums.

  I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.

  Any feedback would be great. Thanks



  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com

  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Daniel White 
If Wheeler is coming to Vegas I know the WISPAPALOOZA Agenda committee would 
like to know ;-)



Thank you,



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Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback



Maybe that's their big Vegas party? Wheeler personally hands Robert the 
certifications?



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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:01:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

yes you are correct Mike, they are still missing the 54xx  DFS channels.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>



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From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:49:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

IIRC, no new UBNT products have DFS certification. Some of the newer ones 
(Maybe all?) have 5150 certification.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" mailto:w...@wispa.org> >, 
memb...@wispa.org <mailto:memb...@wispa.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:39:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

Hi Darin,



Comparing Ubnt AC to EPMP ... it is not a fair, apples to apples comparison.. 
one is a 802.11ac based and the other is 802.11n based system.



in regards to certs... actually, both are now certified for all of the bands... 
EPMP is available for use today, Ubnt AC products, awaiting a new firmware to 
unlock the channels.



>>>how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
>>>misaligned

For all systems, irrespective of who makes them... the key factor is Signal to 
Noise Ratio... if that is decent stuff will work well, if not then they all 
come down to their knees How much and how quicklywould be very 
difficult to describe(kind of like asking someone what does a rose smell 
like ?)



>>>Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in hearing 
>>>about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.

On any GPS based system, you will have a higher ping time(latency)

EPMP's have a very decent QOS mechanism, and voip works well .

Ubnt works pretty decent too.

However as a general rule non gps based systems are more susceptible to 
interference... but then keep in mind that is a relative statement, depending 
on the strength of the interfering signal, even the gps based units will come 
down to their knees.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518   x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>




  _


From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> , "memb...@wispa.org 
<mailto:memb...@wispa.org> " mailto:memb...@wispa.org> >, 
"Principal WISPA Member List" mailto:w...@wispa.org> >
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:52:40 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

Hello guys,



Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recen

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Mike Hammett 
Maybe that's their big Vegas party? Wheeler personally hands Robert the 
certifications? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:01:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback 



yes you are correct Mike, they are still missing the 54xx DFS channels. 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:49:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback 






IIRC, no new UBNT products have DFS certification. Some of the newer ones 
(Maybe all?) have 5150 certification. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" < w...@wispa.org >, memb...@wispa.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 23 , 2015 3:39:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback 



Hi Darin, 



Comparing Ubnt AC to EPMP ... it is not a fair, apples to apples comparison.. 
one is a 802.11ac based and the other is 802.11n based system. 



in regards to certs... actually, both are now certified for all of the bands... 
EPMP is available for use today , Ubnt AC products, awaiting a new firmware to 
unlock the channels. 



>>>how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
>>>misaligned 

For all systems, irrespective of who makes them... the key factor is Signal to 
Noise Ratio... if that is decent stuff will work well, if not then they all 
come down to their knees How much and how quicklywould be very 
difficult to describe(kind of like asking someone what does a rose smell 
like ?) 



>>>Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in hearing 
>>>about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT. 
On any GPS based system, you will have a higher ping time(latency) 

EPMP's have a very decent QOS mechanism, and voip works well . 

Ubnt works pretty decent too. 
However as a general rule non gps based systems are more susceptible to 
interference... but then keep in mind that is a relative statement, depending 
on the strength of the interfering signal, even the gps based units will come 
down to their knees. 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > 
To: af@afmug.com , " memb...@wispa.org " < memb...@wispa.org >, "Principal 
WISPA Member List" < w...@wispa.org > 
Sent: Sunday, August 23 , 2015 1:52:40 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback 






Hello guys, 


Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums. 


I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT. 


Any feedback would be great. Thanks 





-- 


Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi 
www.mnwifi.com 

507-634-WiFi 
Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
yes you are correct Mike, they are still missing the 54xx DFS channels. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:49:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

> IIRC, no new UBNT products have DFS certification. Some of the newer ones 
> (Maybe
> all?) have 5150 certification.

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com

> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com

> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" < w...@wispa.org >, memb...@wispa.org
> Sent: Sunday, August 23 , 2015 3:39:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

> Hi Darin,

> Comparing Ubnt AC to EPMP ... it is not a fair, apples to apples comparison..
> one is a 802.11ac based and the other is 802.11n based system.

> in regards to certs... actually, both are now certified for all of the 
> bands...
> EPMP is available for use today , Ubnt AC products, awaiting a new firmware to
> unlock the channels.

> > If you are feq. constrained, the re-use of freq with EPMP will be highly
> desired.
> If you are not freq. constrained then ability to do higher bandwidth with the 
> AC
> products will be appealing.

> >>>how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
> >>>misaligned
> For all systems, irrespective of who makes them... the key factor is Signal to
> Noise Ratio... if that is decent stuff will work well, if not then they all
> come down to their knees How much and how quicklywould be very
> difficult to describe(kind of like asking someone what does a rose smell
> like ?)

>>>>Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in hearing 
>>>>about
> >>>to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.
> On any GPS based system, you will have a higher ping time(latency)
> EPMP's have a very decent QOS mechanism, and voip works well .
> Ubnt works pretty decent too.
> However as a general rule non gps based systems are more susceptible to
> interference... but then keep in mind that is a relative statement, depending
> on the strength of the interfering signal, even the gps based units will come
> down to their knees.

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com >
>> To: af@afmug.com , " memb...@wispa.org " < memb...@wispa.org >, "Principal 
>> WISPA
>> Member List" < w...@wispa.org >
>> Sent: Sunday, August 23 , 2015 1:52:40 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

>> Hello guys,

>> Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the
>> differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing
>> Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent
>> feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked 
>> about
>> much on the list or in the forums.

>> I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only
>> certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has 
>> UNII-1
>> as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT 
>> and
>> how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets
>> misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in
>> hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.

>> Any feedback would be great. Thanks

>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>> Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Mike Hammett 
IIRC, no new UBNT products have DFS certification. Some of the newer ones 
(Maybe all?) have 5150 certification. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" , memb...@wispa.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:39:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback 



Hi Darin, 



Comparing Ubnt AC to EPMP ... it is not a fair, apples to apples comparison.. 
one is a 802.11ac based and the other is 802.11n based system. 



in regards to certs... actually, both are now certified for all of the bands... 
EPMP is available for use today, Ubnt AC products, awaiting a new firmware to 
unlock the channels. 



>>>how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
>>>misaligned 

For all systems, irrespective of who makes them... the key factor is Signal to 
Noise Ratio... if that is decent stuff will work well, if not then they all 
come down to their knees How much and how quicklywould be very 
difficult to describe(kind of like asking someone what does a rose smell 
like ?) 



>>>Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in hearing 
>>>about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT. 
On any GPS based system, you will have a higher ping time(latency) 

EPMP's have a very decent QOS mechanism, and voip works well . 

Ubnt works pretty decent too. 
However as a general rule non gps based systems are more susceptible to 
interference... but then keep in mind that is a relative statement, depending 
on the strength of the interfering signal, even the gps based units will come 
down to their knees. 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Darin Steffl"  
To: af@afmug.com, "memb...@wispa.org" , "Principal WISPA 
Member List"  
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:52:40 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback 






Hello guys, 


Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums. 


I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT. 


Any feedback would be great. Thanks 





-- 


Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi 
www.mnwifi.com 

507-634-WiFi 
Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Jason McKemie 
Would be nice if they had an AC version of ePMP...

On Sunday, August 23, 2015, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I agree with Josh... if I  was building a new network at this point the
> only ubnt stuff I'd use is airfiber.
> On Aug 23, 2015 1:02 PM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:
>
>> If I was starting out there would be no Ubnt stuff in my network.  I'd
>> have just ePMP.  The only downside at this point in time is the lack of a
>> good 2.4 CPE (Force 200) which is done and works well, but isn't quite
>> shipping.  Nowadays, though, I don't know if I'm going to be doing a whole
>> lot of 2.4 anything...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joseph Marsh > > wrote:
>>
>>> Darin,
>>>
>>> We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far
>>> --
>>> From: Darin Steffl
>>> 
>>> Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com ;
>>> memb...@wispa.org ; 
>>> Principal
>>> WISPA Member List 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
>>>
>>> Hello guys,
>>>
>>> Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare
>>> the differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and
>>> comparing Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more
>>> recent feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't
>>> talked about much on the list or in the forums.
>>>
>>> I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still
>>> only certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now
>>> has UNII-1 as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers
>>> compared to UBNT and how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT
>>> when a dish gets misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something
>>> I'd be interested in hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming
>>> better than UBNT.
>>>
>>> Any feedback would be great. Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>  Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
Hi Darin, 

Comparing Ubnt AC to EPMP ... it is not a fair, apples to apples comparison.. 
one is a 802.11ac based and the other is 802.11n based system. 

in regards to certs... actually, both are now certified for all of the bands... 
EPMP is available for use today, Ubnt AC products, awaiting a new firmware to 
unlock the channels. 

>>>how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
>>>misaligned 
For all systems, irrespective of who makes them... the key factor is Signal to 
Noise Ratio... if that is decent stuff will work well, if not then they all 
come down to their knees How much and how quicklywould be very 
difficult to describe(kind of like asking someone what does a rose smell 
like ?) 

>>>Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in hearing 
>>>about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT. 
On any GPS based system, you will have a higher ping time(latency) 
EPMP's have a very decent QOS mechanism, and voip works well . 
Ubnt works pretty decent too. 
However as a general rule non gps based systems are more susceptible to 
interference... but then keep in mind that is a relative statement, depending 
on the strength of the interfering signal, even the gps based units will come 
down to their knees. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Darin Steffl" 
> To: af@afmug.com, "memb...@wispa.org" , "Principal WISPA
> Member List" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:52:40 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

> Hello guys,

> Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the
> differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing
> Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent
> feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about
> much on the list or in the forums.

> I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only
> certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1
> as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and
> how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets
> misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in
> hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.

> Any feedback would be great. Thanks

> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
> Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Joseph Marsh 
We have all ubnt on current network our new network is going all epmp  2.4 
sucks here  

-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 3:29 PM
To: "af" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

I agree with Josh... if I  was building a new network at this point the only 
ubnt stuff I'd use is airfiber. 
On Aug 23, 2015 1:02 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

If I was starting out there would be no Ubnt stuff in my network.  I'd have 
just ePMP.  The only downside at this point in time is the lack of a good 2.4 
CPE (Force 200) which is done and works well, but isn't quite shipping.  
Nowadays, though, I don't know if I'm going to be doing a whole lot of 2.4 
anything...




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

Darin,

We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far 


From: Darin Steffl
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback


Hello guys,


Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums.


I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.


Any feedback would be great. Thanks






-- 

Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Mathew Howard 
I agree with Josh... if I  was building a new network at this point the
only ubnt stuff I'd use is airfiber.
On Aug 23, 2015 1:02 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> If I was starting out there would be no Ubnt stuff in my network.  I'd
> have just ePMP.  The only downside at this point in time is the lack of a
> good 2.4 CPE (Force 200) which is done and works well, but isn't quite
> shipping.  Nowadays, though, I don't know if I'm going to be doing a whole
> lot of 2.4 anything...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joseph Marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> Darin,
>>
>> We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far
>> --
>> From: Darin Steffl 
>> Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List
>> 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
>>
>> Hello guys,
>>
>> Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare
>> the differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and
>> comparing Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more
>> recent feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't
>> talked about much on the list or in the forums.
>>
>> I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only
>> certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has
>> UNII-1 as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared
>> to UBNT and how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish
>> gets misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be
>> interested in hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better
>> than UBNT.
>>
>> Any feedback would be great. Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread David Milholen 

Josh,
 We steer completely clear of 2.4 accept for access for users.
We have 2 fsk APs left on the network and we should have those removed 
by mid sept.



On 8/23/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
If I was starting out there would be no Ubnt stuff in my network.  I'd 
have just ePMP.  The only downside at this point in time is the lack 
of a good 2.4 CPE (Force 200) which is done and works well, but isn't 
quite shipping.  Nowadays, though, I don't know if I'm going to be 
doing a whole lot of 2.4 anything...



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joseph Marsh > wrote:


Darin,

We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
; Principal WISPA Member List

Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

Hello guys,

Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to
compare the differences in your network? We're building out some
new sites and comparing Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would
like to hear some more recent feedback on the ePMP platform since
it always seems like it isn't talked about much on the list or in
the forums.

I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is
still only certified and running in the upper bands, except for
beta which now has UNII-1 as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP
scales on towers compared to UBNT and how it handles a low signal
client better than UBNT when a dish gets misaligned. Consistent
jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in hearing
about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.

Any feedback would be great. Thanks



-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook





--

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Josh Luthman 
Mine work if it's under a mile!  Works brilliantly at 2000'!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I was going to say the AF5x seems to be working well, but then I
> remembered that you can't figure out how to get yours to work.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> ----------
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:02:29 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
>
>
> If I was starting out there would be no Ubnt stuff in my network.  I'd
> have just ePMP.  The only downside at this point in time is the lack of a
> good 2.4 CPE (Force 200) which is done and works well, but isn't quite
> shipping.  Nowadays, though, I don't know if I'm going to be doing a whole
> lot of 2.4 anything...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joseph Marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> Darin,
>>
>> We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far
>> --
>> From: Darin Steffl 
>> Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List
>> 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
>>
>> Hello guys,
>>
>> Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare
>> the differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and
>> comparing Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more
>> recent feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't
>> talked about much on the list or in the forums.
>>
>> I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only
>> certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has
>> UNII-1 as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared
>> to UBNT and how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish
>> gets misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be
>> interested in hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better
>> than UBNT.
>>
>> Any feedback would be great. Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Mike Hammett 
I was going to say the AF5x seems to be working well, but then I remembered 
that you can't figure out how to get yours to work. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:02:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback 


If I was starting out there would be no Ubnt stuff in my network. I'd have just 
ePMP. The only downside at this point in time is the lack of a good 2.4 CPE 
(Force 200) which is done and works well, but isn't quite shipping. Nowadays, 
though, I don't know if I'm going to be doing a whole lot of 2.4 anything... 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joseph Marsh < bwireless...@gmail.com > wrote: 





Darin, 

We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we like both so far 

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM 
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org ; Principal WISPA Member List 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback 




Hello guys, 


Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums. 


I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT. 


Any feedback would be great. Thanks 





-- 


Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi 
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi 
Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Josh Luthman 
If I was starting out there would be no Ubnt stuff in my network.  I'd have
just ePMP.  The only downside at this point in time is the lack of a good
2.4 CPE (Force 200) which is done and works well, but isn't quite
shipping.  Nowadays, though, I don't know if I'm going to be doing a whole
lot of 2.4 anything...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joseph Marsh 
wrote:

> Darin,
>
> We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far
> --
> From: Darin Steffl 
> Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List
> 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback
>
> Hello guys,
>
> Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare
> the differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and
> comparing Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more
> recent feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't
> talked about much on the list or in the forums.
>
> I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only
> certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has
> UNII-1 as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared
> to UBNT and how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish
> gets misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be
> interested in hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better
> than UBNT.
>
> Any feedback would be great. Thanks
>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

2015-08-23 Thread Joseph Marsh 
Darin,

We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far 

-Original Message-
From: "Darin Steffl" 
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" ; "memb...@wispa.org" ; 
"Principal WISPA Member List" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

Hello guys,


Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums.


I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.


Any feedback would be great. Thanks






-- 

Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook